What Should I Get, 1g Or A 2g Dsm?

[dsmstunna]

I've heard of factory 2g lower ends putting out 450hp at the wheels, can't say i've ever seen one though.

[john]

Originally posted by v8klla@Feb 25 2004, 11:35 PM
Looks like you found all of the 2G haters out there. The only thing that would make me shy away from a 2G is the additional weight. And where did you find that the bottom end can't hold up to 400 hp??? The rods are weaker and CW is a possibilty, but with minor mods 2Gs can be fast and look good! And if you are making 400+ hp what the hell are you doing with a stock bottom end!!!

Chris
A 1g block is supposedly good for 400 hp because of the big rods. 7 bolt blocks are weaker. A 2g block has a better change of CW than it has of making 400 hp. Why would someone push 400hp on a stock block you ask? To save money. Why the hell not? Not all of us have $20,000 to throw into a race car.

dsmstunna:
I heard that pigs can fly. Doesn't mean I have to believe it though. Do you think if something happens once, it happens all the time?

Face it, 1g's are faster, cheaper, and easier to mod. SLS has a 1g running 11.28 on stock longblock. BTW, the 14b record is in the 11's. A t25 record is 13's. 1FAST14B ran 12.1 on a 14b. If you want 11's for cheap, you will have to do some weight reduction. Don't expect your car to run 11's on stock turbo just because one has before.

Since you are looking for performance, get a 1g. 1gs are damn sexy too ;)

[dsmstunna]

thats why i said i can't say i've ever seen one though ;)

[MustGoFaster]

2G

[v8klla]

Originally posted by 92tsiawd84+Feb 25 2004, 11:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (92tsiawd84 @ Feb 25 2004, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-v8klla@Feb 25 2004, 11:35 PM
Looks like you found all of the 2G haters out there.&nbsp; The only thing that would make me shy away from a 2G is the additional weight.&nbsp; And where did you find that the bottom end can't hold up to 400 hp???&nbsp; The rods are weaker and CW is a possibilty, but with minor mods 2Gs can be fast and look good!&nbsp; And if you are making 400+ hp what the hell are you doing with a stock bottom end!!!

Chris
A 1g block is supposedly good for 400 hp because of the big rods. 7 bolt blocks are weaker. A 2g block has a better change of CW than it has of making 400 hp. Why would someone push 400hp on a stock block you ask? To save money. Why the hell not? Not all of us have $20,000 to throw into a race car.

dsmstunna:
I heard that pigs can fly. Doesn't mean I have to believe it though. Do you think if something happens once, it happens all the time?

Face it, 1g's are faster, cheaper, and easier to mod. SLS has a 1g running 11.28 on stock longblock. BTW, the 14b record is in the 11's. A t25 record is 13's. 1FAST14B ran 12.1 on a 14b. If you want 11's for cheap, you will have to do some weight reduction. Don't expect your car to run 11's on stock turbo just because one has before.

Since you are looking for performance, get a 1g. 1gs are damn sexy too ;) [/b][/quote]
7 bolt rods are weaker, yes, but the 2G pistons are better. The block is in no way weaker. Yes, 2G's do crankwalk, but I have owned one and it didn't walk. I haven't even heard of a 2G walking in Minnesota! You would think with thousands of them produced and me being on a DSM site I would have heard of a few ;) I do however know of two 1G's in Minnesota that have walked...hmmm...

Just FYI, people are pushing over 400 hp on the stock 4g64 bottom end, yes that uses 2G rods and non-forged pistons!

Actually, 1G's come stock with less hp, they are cheaper because they are older, and the looks just don't do it for me. Granted it has grown on me since I have been in the DSM community, but come one people it is definately not a sports car. I understand that that is what some of you are going for...

As far as being easier to mod, please explain? They are basically the same engine with a few minor differences. A bolt on bolts on, just like it would on a 1G. What makes it easier?

I do agree that it is easier to get a 1G into the 12's, but if you want 11's it's going to cost you either way. Once you upgrade the turbo it is pretty even in my book. Damn T25!

Chris

[SquackDiddy]

how could you tell a 6bolt between a 7bolt? with the motor still in place.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by SquackDiddy@Feb 26 2004, 06:04 AM
how could you tell a 6bolt between a 7bolt? with the motor still in place.
You got to look at the oil pan (under the car ;)). You look at the front left side of the pan.

http://www.vfaq.com/mods/early-late-engine.html

That site well help you with a lot of questions also.

[At-Least-It's-An-Evo]

Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Feb 25 2004, 11:25 PM

A 1g block is supposedly good for 400 hp because of the big rods.* 7 bolt blocks are weaker.* A 2g block has a better change of CW than it has of making 400 hp.* Why would someone push 400hp on a stock block you ask?* To save money.* Why the hell not?* Not all of us have $20,000 to throw into a race car.


That is all assumption. How many 4g63's period have you seen blow up from too much power? From what I've seen, it's usually user/tuning errors. You can't assume that shit. 400 whp is nothing to be scared of for the bottom ends, 6 or 7 bolt. The problem is people actually making 400 whp in the first place. :liar: Not everyone has to spend $20k to make good power and try to build a race car that they think is going to be driven daily. The issue is not to "save money", it's because the bottom end can take it. :stick:

[MustGoFaster]

Originally posted by v8klla@Feb 26 2004, 12:47 AM
I haven't even heard of a 2G walking in Minnesota!
Fast Tom's walked. His SN was RhymeSayer or something like that.

[john]

I only know of 1 1g in MN that walked and only because it was a big deal. Bodykit tom (tpunx***) had his engine replaced (I thought by crankwalk) and I know of two cars that are on their way right now. One was a QPR car (white 2g talon w/ eclipse bumpers) and another is on this site.

As far as the blocks go, I will let you know how my stock block handles the new setup. I am going to push it not because I can but because I dont have money for it. If it breaks, I will rebuild.

How is a 1g easier to mod you ask? They are easier to work on and you don't have to do as much to get them to go fast. Is that enough for you? If not, go to tuners and look at the upgrade paths. 1g parts are also cheaper to get.

Chris, as you know hp does not have everything to do with how fast the car is. I will try to get 92gsTEX (awd) to race remy (fwd) this weekend from a roll. Both cars are near stock. T25 turbos are shit. Doesn't matter if you make 210 hp at 5000 rpm but loose all of it by 6000.