More Political Thought ;)

[A//// Guy]

Got this from a friend....

Thought these comparisons were kinda funny. Wanted to post them in the "war" threads but Ill just make a new thread haha.

:bounce:

"I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head so
I'll know how to vote come November. The liberal/left biased main line
news media (and their friends in the Democratic Party) are not helping
me.
In the past they have said one thing....now they are saying something
else.
Lemme see; have I got this straight?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists-
good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - 5.4% unemployment.. record home
sales...bad...

Kerry proposes socialistic economic agenda including major tax
increases.... good
Bush impements tax cuts which revitalizes the US economy and returns
money
to the people...bad

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...

Senate Democrats allow confirmation of judicial appointments to Federal
Bench only if they have liberal/left biased agenda.... good
Bush nominates judges to the Federal Bench who will utilize US
Constitution
as basis for decisions...bad...

Ahh, it's so confusing!

Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax
burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day".

This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the
government. This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the
earliest
it has been since 1991. It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred
in
2000. Notice anything special about those dates?

Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no
explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy
men.
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all
worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old
barn
brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
sound
right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a
way to avoid paying his own.

Only a few days until the election"

Interesting huh?

[JDM]

I agree with MOST of that.

I just don't think that Kerry would even be so close if it weren't for two things:

1) September 11th, 2001. Let's say Al Gore won. We would all be blaming the economy on him, AND I highly doubt he would have gone to war over this. If we had not gone to war, what kind of signal does that send to other contries. That the US will just roll over and take it. Just like Clinton did. How many times under the Clinton Administration did Sadaam refuse entry to UN Weapons inspectors? Too many to count. And he also had the chance to catch Osama Bin Ladin, which he didn't. Republicans have BAD ideas, but Democrats don't have any of their own. Which is more dangerous? Apparently Kerry has "A PLAN". I know cause I heard him say it about 75 times last night. The only plan I see him talking about is bashing Bush. If he would just tell me what he believes is good for the country, I might be able to believe it too. He just keeps telling me what Bush is doing wrong, and I think we all know all that stuff anyway.

TO elaborate: If Bush was in office, and Sept 11 never happened, I highly doubt the economy would suck as bad as it does, but it's still improving.

2) His wife. HE is not a Millionaire, his wife is. I heard about his wife before I even knew that her husband was a Senator. And it says something about a man who spends millions on himself, and wants to raise taxes. I guess I don't own a house, and I don't pay a lot of taxes, so I really don't have an opinion there. But Kerry was dead wrong with education last night. Pell Grants aren't going down, I got one, and it paid for my school. I even applied for Financial Aid late, so most of them were already awarded, and I was given one 3 days before school started. Kerry wants to give me loans. The last thing I need is another loan. I do think that I should be held accountable for my schooling, but government funded schools are charging almost as much as private or religeous institutions, so if I go to a state school, the state better help pay if their going to charge me private school tuition.

I guess I just don't see a lot of good coming from the Kerry corner. Bush didn't do everything right, but he did what he THOUGHT was right, and stuck to it.

"I actually voted for the 87 Billion dollar funding before I voted against it"

What is that? Scary.


I also recall him saying that Sadaam Hussein was not a credible threat to the US yet.

Should we wait til he is, John Kerry? So we can repeat a Sept 11 like catastrophe? No thanks. We may never know what Sadaam is capable of, but in my eyes, that's a good thing.

[tpunx99GSX]

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[Jana]

I agree with JDM, very well put.

[Emcee gsxtc]

JDM just spoke much truth! Although I do find alot wrong with the whole clinton/bush-good/bad.

[JDM]

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Good Idea.

[A//// Guy]

:cheers: JDM well put!

So whats wrong with some of the "bad/good"?

[JDM]

Clinton Bombing the Chineese Embassy was NEVER good.

[A//// Guy]

I think they mean that people never really got on his case about it like they do Bush and the war... thats why they say "good"

[john]

I cannot sit here all day typing as I am at work. Your "friend" above does not have all the facts down. One for example is that Bush only spent $87 billion in Iraq. He has spent over $120 billion and the costs are expected to reach over $200 billion by the end of everything.

If you want to know where a canidate stands on certain issues go to their website. If you haven't noticed, the debates are mostly spent badmouthing the other person. No body gets much across. If Bush doesn't want to answer a question directed at him, he just avoids it and switches to another topic. Here are the sites for the uneducated people:

http://www.georgebush.com/
or
http://www.johnkerry.com

How is there an easier way to find info?
As I am still here, Education has gotten worse. I got a small grant last year and this year I recieved no grant at all. I have to foot all the money out of my pocket. I am not sure if this was your first grant or not JDM but it has not gotten better for me. My income has not changed much at all and I get no money compared to the $400-500 I recieved last year per semester taking 16-17 credits. If you got a grant this year and not last year, you should check your income change. It has gotten worse for me.
I will probly come back later. It has taken me ~30 minutes to type this as I am trying to help customers. See Ya!

[tpunx99GSX]

Horribly put jdm. go in the corner and think about what youve done.

Im not gonna reply... im not gonna reply.... aww fuck it.

"Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad..."
Someone wanna elaborate on this one, i dont remember any felonys commited it the white house, just some head.

"Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad..."
John did good with this one.

"Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - 5.4% unemployment.. record home
sales...bad..."
The Stock market CRASHED in 1929, not 2000. the dot coms went under in 2000.

"Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad..."
No one (at least that i know of) ever blamed bush for the WTC bombing, and no one but airport security and immigration could have stopped this from happening.

"This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the
government. This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the
earliest
it has been since 1991. It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred
in
2000. Notice anything special about those dates?"
The first one is my birthday. WOOHOO still didnt see that tax freedome day.

"Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
sound
right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a
way to avoid paying his own."
Like JDM said, his wife is rich, not him.

I cant stand this bullshit Propaghanda that goes around and is spread more by Dumbasses like you.

[1QUICK4]

Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Oct 14 2004, 05:56 PM

As I am still here, Education has gotten worse. I got a small grant last year and this year I recieved no grant at all. I have to foot all the money out of my pocket.

I had to pay for all my schooling with no grants, and that was while Clinton was in office.

[1QUICK4]

Originally posted by tpunx99GSX@Oct 14 2004, 06:28 PM


Someone wanna elaborate on this one, i dont remember any felonys commited it the white house, just some head.

I don't remember any felonies either... I just remember the stealing of our newest nuclear weapons technology and selling it to the Chineese.

[tpunx99GSX]

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Someone wanna elaborate on this one, i dont remember any felonys commited it the white house, just some head.

I don't remember any felonies either... I just remember the stealing of our newest nuclear weapons technology and selling it to the Chineese. [/b][/quote]
That was clinton? nope, dont think so, try again.

[1QUICK4]

Funny how millions of dollars were giving to his "Campain" by the Chineese ambasader that same year.

[JDM]

Well... I'm not gonna start calling people names here... After all:
1) It's against forum rules
2) I'm not 7

I have been to 3 schools over 5 years. Concordia University was almost full ride for Music. I busted ass in High School with Music, and it paid off. I receieved a Pell Grant, Self Loan, and numerous scholarships. I was in my parent's tax braket. COST: $15,000 for one sememster

I dropped out of Concordia, and went to Brown Institute, where I received another Pell Grant the next year. I also received another grant, which for the life of me, I cannot remember the name. I also took out two loans through TCF. I was still in my parent's tax braket. COST: $22,000 for two years.

I am now enrolled at Century College. I received a Pell Grant and another Self Loan. My tuition is only $1200 a semester this time.

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time paying for school 92tsi... I'm not gonna call you a dumbass, (Which by the way Tom, I would expect more outta you), but I'm just gonna state what I know. I live in a building in Dinkytown with 1200 other students. I live with 2 other students. The ones I live with also received Gov't Grants, and other programs to aid in school. They all go to the U, and they are both Seniors. They have never NOT received help from the Gov't.

As for my misinformation, OK, so maybe I don't know everything, but I wasn't telling everyone I did. I was giving my opinion on the statement made in the first part of the thread.

Please stop the direct member bashing. If you wanna talk shit, here's my number:

6112.702.3933


Grow up.

[A//// Guy]

"Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad..."
John did good with this one.

We have not spent 200 yet as John said... only 120 billion.. only haha...

Anyway so we can spend close to 80 billion under clinton and no one gives a rats ass why? That war was not even nearly close to Iraq. Thats rediculous.

"Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad..."
No one (at least that i know of) ever blamed bush for the WTC bombing, and no one but airport security and immigration could have stopped this from happening.

^^ Then WTF is the 9/11 panel investigating?? They are blaming bush becuase he didnt prevent it. Go get some knowledge before you type!

YEA and dont bash people TOM, just because you have a problem doesnt mean you have to shut down this thread.

John- You think ever student should get grants and loans and free money everywhere? I dont beleive in constant welfare, its wrong and most people abuse it. Not saying you do or anything like that, Im just against it. Scholarships are fine but not everyone can get massive amounts of money and then say "yay for the government they are cool they give me money."

[JDM]

If you haven't been to Iraq, or haven't known someone who has,I don't know how you would comment on whether or not it's a good idea.

If this is propoganda bullshit, then I suppose your decisions on your vote will have NOTHING to do with Micheal Moore, or the news, or the debates, or commercials, or advertisments, or other people.

Propoganda, although used to stretch the truth, are a fact we have to deal with. It's just a way to get your opinion out there.

Good for you guys for having such strong feelings about your political beliefs. That's what this election is all about anyway. Our generation is thought to NOT care. I think this thread is a good example that we do.

Just keep it clean.

I respect everyone on this site. (Maybe Tom a little less ) jk Tom...

Let's try to keep it clean here.



PS, thanks for e-mailing my mother, Tom. It ment a lot, and she mentioned it the other day.

[john]

JDM- I do not see how you saved money under the Bush administration for college. You switch schools. Tuition is different prices depending on where you go. I work full time year round at ACE Hardware so I can afford my car (which I cannot) and pay for school. I had a similar income and the same school. In a somewhat constant medium, I have lost my grant.

Peter- I do not believe that everyone should get grants. I am just trying to use my experiences to show that not everyone has been helped by Bush as far as education is concerned. I believe we need to change our policies as far as grants are issued.
My dad has been out of work for probly 5 years now. My mom is supporting the family under her own income at ~$30-40,000/year. She has been at her job for 35 years now and has OK job security. I only applied for the FAFSA grant. According to FAFSA, my parents should be able to afford to pay me $9000/ year for college in family support. How the hell is that supposed to work? We can afford to give me 25% of the family income for college? I also have a twin brother who is also going to college at the same time. He is in the same boat. According to the government, our family is supposed to give up half of our $30-40,000 income per year to support us in school. That is where I see a problem in the government education process. We need to make more strict requirements for the people applying for the grants. Now, we give out a little money to a lot of people. Hell, I was kicked off it this year along with my brother. We do not recieve any grant money. I am forced to work 35-40hrs/ week so I can fund going to school. Any of you college kids know how hard it is to take 16-17 credits per semester and have to work at the same time. There is no free time. You can ask my friends how frugal I am right now. I try not to spend any money as I need to save it for tuition next january.

I may come back later and respond to some of your friends claims.

[Eclipse99]

i know i honestly dont understand how anyone can support kerry, he doesnt have an opinion about much of anything.