Anyone Here With A 20g Fwd 1g?

[Halon]

so ud choose understeer?

[CVD]

AWD understeers as bad or worse. Same basic layout, but with more weight over the front tires. There are several different ways to do AWD, we got hosed on ours. Its NOT the kind of AWD that helps handling on dry pavement.

[Kracka]

Originally posted by me612@Jan 13 2004, 12:10 AM
so ud choose understeer?

AWD understeers...FWD doesn't. I actually have my rear swaybar set up for a bit of oversteer.

[Halon]

well i am going to have to disagree. I have no actual paper proof, but i feel my awd talon has less understeer then my gst had. but if you know 100% for a fact then i guess u are right and im wrong

[Halon]

ok so being the type of person i am, i always wanna learn and know more, so i had to look into what u said about the whole awd understeer. Looks like i was wrong. I don't agree with TalonTSIdude who said that FWS DOES NOT understeer. I had understeer issues all day long with my gst if i tried to take a corner too quick. I have yet to have an understeer problem with my tsi awd, but i haven't driven it as hard as i drove my gst yet. But I stand corrected, even though i don't totally understand how an AWD would have more understeer at certain times. But hopefully i will figure out why it is like that in my never ending quest for knowledge

[Matt D.]

Wheelspin creates understeer obviously... That's what you are probably talking about with a FWD having understeer.

The way to correct understeer in an AWD is to stiffen up the rear suspension... Bigger swaybar and stiffer springs and shocks. Softening up the front in proportion to the rear also helps turn better and increase oversteer.

[Halon]

not only wheelspin, but just trying to make sharp turnswhen going somewhat fast, id often find myself still going straight while trying to turn.

[SlowWhite]

Originally posted by me612@Jan 13 2004, 01:26 AM
not only wheelspin, but just trying to make sharp turnswhen going somewhat fast, id often find myself still going straight while trying to turn.

I've done that several times in my FWD but for the most part I was trying to. And usually done around 80-100mph. (ie: turning to the inside of a turn and then drifting outside coming out of a turn)

-Brian

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Archer Ran AWDs. RRE has run both AWDs and FWDs. Like in the way it takes some work like suspension, motor mounts, LSD, etc to get a FWD to get better traction, you have to do some suspension work on the AWDs to help them handle better. There is a reason AWD has been banned from numerous racing series. An RRE sponsored 2G AWD won the road course portion of the SCC Ultimate Street Car Challenge this year, beating FWDs and RWDs. :bowdown"

[john]

I didn't want to say anything more on this topic but man, Shanes comment sure shut everyone up. :bowdown" :bowdown" :bowdown"

[Kracka]

Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Jan 17 2004, 01:48 AM
I didn't want to say anything more on this topic but man, Shanes comment sure shut everyone up. :bowdown" :bowdown" :bowdown"

Shall we say 2 races for money? One at Opus and one on 394/12 out in Wayzata/Minnetonka?

[Nash]

Originally posted by TalonTSiDude+Jan 17 2004, 01:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TalonTSiDude @ Jan 17 2004, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-92tsiawd84@Jan 17 2004, 01:48 AM
I didn't want to say anything more on this topic but man, Shanes comment sure shut everyone up.&nbsp; :bowdown"&nbsp; :bowdown"&nbsp; :bowdown"

Shall we say 2 races for money? One at Opus and one on 394/12 out in Wayzata/Minnetonka? [/b][/quote]
I'm game, lets do it.

[john]

Call me when ya do it. I wanna see. Remember, I didn't say anything about AWD handling well. That is what the old integra was for.

[niterydr]

Originally posted by TalonTSiDude+Jan 17 2004, 01:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TalonTSiDude @ Jan 17 2004, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-92tsiawd84@Jan 17 2004, 01:48 AM
I didn't want to say anything more on this topic but man, Shanes comment sure shut everyone up.&nbsp; :bowdown"&nbsp; :bowdown"&nbsp; :bowdown"

Shall we say 2 races for money? One at Opus and one on 394/12 out in Wayzata/Minnetonka? [/b][/quote]
I'd be down for this in a few months.
Stealth does quite nicely at opus, despites its bulk.
45/55 power split helps .

[JET]

Originally posted by ecoli@Jan 13 2004, 11:43 AM
Archer Ran AWDs. RRE has run both AWDs and FWDs. Like in the way it takes some work like suspension, motor mounts, LSD, etc to get a FWD to get better traction, you have to do some suspension work on the AWDs to help them handle better. There is a reason AWD has been banned from numerous racing series. An RRE sponsored 2G AWD won the road course portion of the SCC Ultimate Street Car Challenge this year, beating FWDs and RWDs. :bowdown"

Actually Archer did run FWD's for several years. The only reason was because they outlawed turbo & AWD in the class though. When they had the choice they ran AWD's. There must be a reason for it!

[Kracka]

Originally posted by Nash+Jan 17 2004, 03:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nash @ Jan 17 2004, 03:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Shall we say 2 races for money? One at Opus and one on 394/12 out in Wayzata/Minnetonka?

I'm game, lets do it. [/b][/quote]
Come spring we shall...the 2 races will be for equal money.

[Kracka]

Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Jan 17 2004, 10:03 AM
Call me when ya do it. I wanna see. Remember, I didn't say anything about AWD handling well. That is what the old integra was for.

I'll PM ya

[Kracka]

Originally posted by niterydr+Jan 17 2004, 12:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (niterydr @ Jan 17 2004, 12:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Shall we say 2 races for money? One at Opus and one on 394/12 out in Wayzata/Minnetonka?

I'd be down for this in a few months.
Stealth does quite nicely at opus, despites its bulk.
45/55 power split helps . [/b][/quote]
Damn dude , do I have to beat you again? :stick: :bounce:

[Nash]

How about a 3rd race? You know the one where I will show what AWD is really all about?

[Kracka]

Originally posted by Nash@Jan 17 2004, 04:54 PM
How about a 3rd race?* You know the one where I will show what AWD is really all about?

Nope, I'm not that stupid I am not going to deny the fact that FWD can't launch worth anything. Hell, I get out-launched by most Hondas at the track. The fun part is chasing them down! 16.3 @ 107 versus the Vee-Dub was my favorite of all time.