01-16-2013
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
Drives: 1992 talon tsi 1995 corolla
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
Oh ok so you're pretty far away. If you're not going to have any port work done map and cylinder head express will cost about the same but if you're going to have it ported they might be worth looking into. I saved a lot of money going through them vs map. There are pics of my head in my build thread. You can pm if you want specifics on what I paid and what not
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01-16-2013
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
Where in Blaine is that shop you speak of?
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01-16-2013
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Where in Blaine is that shop you speak of?
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It's basically right off of highway 10 and 65. It's kind of back by Letterman sports
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
Ok, back kinda near where elite was too? I heard they were expensive. I use a shop in andover called.Northern Cylinder Head, prices are untouchable. Kinda tin shed feeling place, old dude working there, I love it!
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01-16-2013
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by Halon
Ok, back kinda near where elite was too? I heard they were expensive. I use a shop in andover called.Northern Cylinder Head, prices are untouchable. Kinda tin shed feeling place, old dude working there, I love it!
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Kind of but I think elite was a little farther north. If you're going north on ten you take a right at the first stop light just north of 10 then the first right you can take and they're just down a little ways on the left.
As for them being expensive maybe if you have them get all the parts. I had to replace the valves I got those from map cause map was like $200 less than if I got them through CHE. For completely rebuilding my head and a complete port and polish they were like 1k less than it would have cost at map.
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01-16-2013
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: St. James
Drives: 06 Evo IX
Posts: 130
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
So im figuring send block to map for either a rebuild 2.0 or a 2.3
than take my head to either one of the shops you guys are suggesting (to save $) have them tell me what it needs and buy the parts from map.
-MAP beehive springs and retainers
-re use valves (if I can)
-OEM seals
-Re use cosworth m2 (272/272) cams
-Get new MAP head studs or buy new ARP studs
-OEM gaskets
I think I am going to try one of these turbos. I've read a couple reviews on evom many good reviews on it, and I know in the srt 4 community (where I came from) these turbos are a big hit, everyone that runs it loves em so figure ill give it a shot.
http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/ki...300ps-4-3.aspx
Just use a turbosmart wga with it.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by tmosser
So im figuring send block to map for either a rebuild 2.0 or a 2.3
than take my head to either one of the shops you guys are suggesting (to save $) have them tell me what it needs and buy the parts from map.
-MAP beehive springs and retainers
-re use valves (if I can)
-OEM seals
-Re use cosworth m2 (272/272) cams
-Get new MAP head studs or buy new ARP studs
-OEM gaskets
I think I am going to try one of these turbos. I've read a couple reviews on evom many good reviews on it, and I know in the srt 4 community (where I came from) these turbos are a big hit, everyone that runs it loves em so figure ill give it a shot.
The
http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/ki...300ps-4-3.aspx
Just use a turbosmart wga with it.
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That sounds like a good plan! I have pics of my head in my build thread if you want to see some of their work
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01-16-2013
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R U DTF bro?
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oak Point, TX
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by asshanson
Quoted for proof.
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You forget I can edit and delete anything
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Originally Posted by JET
LOL, nice quote. No idea what Hughes was thinking there. Maybe he started drinking already?
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Yeah, my mistake, it's a 4G64 crank with 4G63 block.
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I agree with Kracka.
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01-16-2013
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#29
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: St. James
Drives: 06 Evo IX
Posts: 130
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
Well now Ive read this
http://m.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=461606
Which is what i don't get my car runs fine and doesnt smoke.
I really need to do a leakdown
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
My old talon burned quite a bit of oil but never seemed to smoke that I noticed. I would say maybe double check the compression with a differ gauge just to make sure there's nothing wrong with the gauge. Then try a wet compression test and do a leak down test. The variance between the highest and lowest cylinder is quite a bit. So it still seems like something is not right. Generally you don't want more than a 20% difference between the highest and lowest cylinder
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01-16-2013
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#31
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Yep!!! She Goes
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Under Review
Drives: 03 EVO VIII
Posts: 86
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
2.3 Stroker... Many have done a 2.4 with disastrous results. I'm in the same boat as you paying for an Evo only my motor went BOOM. Currently undergoing a 2.3 stroker with a FP Black E85
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01-17-2013
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#32
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: St. James
Drives: 06 Evo IX
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
Well thing is car runs fine normal under wot it gets 2/3 counts of knock and now started last night if i go wot it will start popping and cutting. My wideband just took a crap (only reads 20.0) and will occasionally go to 10.0 than right back to 20 stupid glowshift pos.
Will do leakdown this weekend.
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R U DTF bro?
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oak Point, TX
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
Check your spark plugs and maybe just get a replacement set to go in after your leakdown test. You told me you over-revved, hitting the limiter can cause massive amounts of knock and cylinder pressure damaging a spark plug electrode (happened to me once).
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I agree with Kracka.
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01-17-2013
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#34
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
Drives: '91 Automagic
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by EVOJ
2.3 Stroker... Many have done a 2.4 with disastrous results. I'm in the same boat as you paying for an Evo only my motor went BOOM. Currently undergoing a 2.3 stroker with a FP Black E85
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Really? does this just apply to evo's?
I've never heard this before.
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Originally Posted by tmosser
Well thing is car runs fine normal under wot it gets 2/3 counts of knock and now started last night if i go wot it will start popping and cutting. My wideband just took a crap (only reads 20.0) and will occasionally go to 10.0 than right back to 20 stupid glowshift pos.
Will do leakdown this weekend.
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I have some widebands available, I'll send a PM now.
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01-17-2013
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#35
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aka Goodbye
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by EVOJ
2.3 Stroker... Many have done a 2.4 with disastrous results. I'm in the same boat as you paying for an Evo only my motor went BOOM. Currently undergoing a 2.3 stroker with a FP Black E85
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Yeah, not sure where you're getting this info from. I built a 2.4 for my Evo with no problems at all except getting the wrong freeze plugs initially. I would've preferred to do a 2.3 but MAP did the machine work for me and didn't like the deck surface, so I started fresh and 2.4 blocks are much cheaper than Evo blocks.
Personally, I wouldn't do anything to the cylinder head except the lightest port cleanup, the factory valves, springs and retainers are plenty good for what you're talking about. That's unnecessary spending doing anything to such a good factory head.
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01-17-2013
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#36
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Yep!!! She Goes
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Under Review
Drives: 03 EVO VIII
Posts: 86
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by Goat Blower
Yeah, not sure where you're getting this info from. I built a 2.4 for my Evo with no problems at all except getting the wrong freeze plugs initially. I would've preferred to do a 2.3 but MAP did the machine work for me and didn't like the deck surface, so I started fresh and 2.4 blocks are much cheaper than Evo blocks.
Personally, I wouldn't do anything to the cylinder head except the lightest port cleanup, the factory valves, springs and retainers are plenty good for what you're talking about. That's unnecessary spending doing anything to such a good factory head.
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Thought of doing a 2.4 but heard stories on how it went really bad. For a seasoned vet such as yourself yeah it could work out.
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#37
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Yep!!! She Goes
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
Really? does this just apply to evo's?
I've never heard this before.
I have some widebands available, I'll send a PM now.
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Dude what??
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#38
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mankato
Drives: 2004 Evo 8
Posts: 1,152
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
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Originally Posted by EVOJ
Thought of doing a 2.4 but heard stories on how it went really bad. For a seasoned vet such as yourself yeah it could work out.
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Talked with Kyle at MAP yesterday and he said he absolutely loves the 2.4s not an issue at all with them. Everything you read at times has to be taken with a grain of salt
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01-17-2013
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#39
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formerly ecoli
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: On the dyno
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
I prefer the 2.3l on the Evos, I have had plenty of basket case 2.4l Evos in here for tuning.
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#40
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: Rebuilding motor, need suggestions
I know when Andrew and I were researching how to build his IX we decided the 2.3L was the better route to take, especially for the IX w/MIVEC. Retaining the stock block really simplifies things.
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