View Poll Results: Where do I go from here? (now that all of the children have grown up...)
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Build the X
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No one wants a $60k evo with high monthly payments, get out now and buy a 9.
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03-21-2011
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#1381
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
well I'd rather have it reading too high so you get a lower power/safer tune then reading low.
I will confirm with my wideband on the street which will be a better judge.
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03-21-2011
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#1382
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*Resting In Peace*
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Heaven
Drives: 94 Plymouth Acclaim/2008 EvoX
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by A//// Guy
That makes way too much sense, now whose device is faulty?
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Well, my AFRs were not a point off at RS. Shane has told me that he uses one of the most expensive widebands and I doubt he'd do so if he didn't think it mattered.
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03-21-2011
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#1383
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
AFR's on the short runner didn't change at all really. We are swapping that out for the next manifold now.
Looks like average gains of 25ish whp 13 wtq.
Graphs and stuff will be done later tonight or tomorrow night. I guess it will depend on when I get all those graphs.
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03-21-2011
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#1384
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N17r0U$ br4D
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
I've never been on Map's dyno but my wideband showed exactly what it did when Shane tuned all of my cars. I'd go with Shane's dyno being a bit more accurate.
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03-21-2011
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#1385
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
Could this be why numerous people have reported their cars leaving MAP's dyno with less power than when they arrived?
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Do you have any examples of this? We obviously start with a baseline and I can't recall a car leaving with less power than when it came in...
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03-21-2011
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#1386
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
I guess I haven't heard that either Chris.
I didn't want to start a debate about how the widebands read, was just curious if others see the same thing. It sounds like they do.
I will confirm with the wideband I just bought from MAP this weekend or next week sometime and report back.
The tail sniffers are never perfect and everything is prone to error to some degree.
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03-21-2011
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#1387
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Yep I agree the absolute best option is a permanent install further up stream, next time we get a car with one on the dyno I'll be sure to compare both readings.
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03-21-2011
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#1388
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Shit Rocket Pilot
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
Posts: 7,752
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by v8klla
Do you have any examples of this? We obviously start with a baseline and I can't recall a car leaving with less power than when it came in...
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Of course not, no one would ever post this online. It's all been word of mouth.
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Originally Posted by Tachyon
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
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03-21-2011
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#1389
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Well we broke the stock ECU Evo 8/9 record twice using this wideband and I trust it with my personal car. Cars don't come in here for tuning and leave with less power unless they are knocking and on the ragged edge, in which case we did the customer a favor. /rant
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03-21-2011
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#1390
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Well...very very interesting results so far. I honestly am a little dumbfounded that we got what we did with the FID.
The FID still picked up power over the stock ported mani...but was basically put to shame by the short runner from MAP. We are starting to wonder if the short runner is the BALLS of all the manifolds, lol. Still have the MAP long runner to test.
Now timing seems to be very consistent on all of these runs we are doing. I think the AFR's are all pretty close as well.
I am going to put graphs up later of the logs for timing/boost etc but wow is all i can say...the short runner had 20whp over the FID for their best runs. Average was closer to 10-12ishwhp over. Keep in mind we didn't do any tuning at all...just been watching AFR's and knock so far.
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03-21-2011
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#1391
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hutch
Drives: Evo VIII and 96' Buick Park Ave
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
the short runner beat the FID...?
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03-21-2011
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#1392
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by 311evo
the short runner beat the FID...?
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Yes, by a good margin. Jordan and myself were quite surprised actually.
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03-21-2011
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#1393
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Shit Rocket Pilot
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Your car is such a dyno queen. Gosh...
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03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachyon
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
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03-21-2011
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#1394
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
Your car is such a dyno queen. Gosh...
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I cannot refute that lol. It has seen many dyno passes. I hope to spend more time driving than dynoing this summer though
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03-21-2011
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#1395
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R U DTF bro?
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oak Point, TX
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
LOL @ FiD domination, that's crazy! Now I'm really interested to see how that MAP long-runner does!
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03-21-2011
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#1396
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Kracka
LOL @ FiD domination, that's crazy! Now I'm really interested to see how that MAP long-runner does!
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Me too! Long day of sitting here on MAP's couch...ran out of stuff to even look at on the internets.
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03-21-2011
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#1397
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hutch
Drives: Evo VIII and 96' Buick Park Ave
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
Me too! Long day of sitting here on MAP's couch...ran out of stuff to even look at on the internets.
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I avoided the couch in order to not fall asleep when I was there. lol.
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03-21-2011
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#1398
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Energy drink ftw!
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03-21-2011
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#1399
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Walls need hugs too
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Plymouth
Drives: V10 Touareg, Beater Jetta, Evo IX
Posts: 3,876
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
So... results of the long runner?
And I'll add my car to the list as another that's reported a full point leaner on MAP's dyno.
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Smart chicks are better. Personally I like a girl to give me her thesis on how to solve the economic crisis while I put it in her ass.
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03-22-2011
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#1400
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
We didn't get to the long runner we called it around 6:15 or so last night. I am heading back there around 3:00ish today and we are going to finish up. We actually got a lot done yesterday, more than Chris expected. They were almost done installing yet another manifold when I left so they were going to save some of that for today.
I should have the rest of the results later today hopefully.
By the time I got home and made dinner I was wiped...didn't get any sleep sunday night as I knew I had monday off So I went home and basically fell asleep.
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