Stock bolt pattern on a 94 Talon, separate tach

rk4g63 · 10-13-2005

What's the stock bolt pattern on a 94 Talon Tsi AWD?
If I get larger rims, how much can I get away with concerning spacers?
With larger rims, it's going to give an incorrect speed reading. Will a separate tach help? If so, where do I hook it up (since the stock tach hookup would end up giving the same reading)?

niterydr · 10-13-2005

5x114.3mm
http://www.discountedwheelwarehouse...._Reference.cfm
Spacers are a bad idea, they place added strain on the rotating assembly, and shorten the 'grip' available on wheel stud to lug nut contact area.
You can resize the tires to compensate for the larger rims to get closer to your stock rolling wheel diameter.

rk4g63 · 10-13-2005

Thank you!

**Goat Blower** · 10-13-2005

Here's a nice little calculator to help you pick alternate sizes. You won't notice anything within 2-3 mph, since DSM speedos are probably off by that much anyways.

http://www.net-comber.com/tirecalc.html

rk4g63 · 10-13-2005

Thanks Steve.

Jakey · 10-13-2005

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Originally Posted by niterydr

....Spacers are a bad idea, they place added strain on the rotating assembly, ....

What?

Outlaw1 · 10-14-2005

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Originally Posted by rk4g63

What's the stock bolt pattern on a 94 Talon Tsi AWD?

The bolt pattern on the wheel is a 5 on 114.3mm circle, or if you're from America it's a 5 on 4 1/2" bolt circle. 114.3mm is the same thing as 4 1/2"

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Originally Posted by rk4g63

If I get larger rims, how much can I get away with concerning spacers?

You can put 17"/18" wheels on a DSM without spacers if you buy the correct offset. Save your money and buy the correct offset rims/tires the first time.

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Originally Posted by rk4g63

With larger rims, it's going to give an incorrect speed reading. Will a separate tach help? If so, where do I hook it up (since the stock tach hookup would end up giving the same reading)?

The rim size does not affect the speedometer, the tire height is what affects it. Again, you can buy a set of tires that have the same height (or close to) as the stock tires and not have to worry about using spacers or recalibrating the speedo.

rk4g63 · 10-14-2005

Thanks Bernie.

niterydr · 10-14-2005

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Originally Posted by Jakey

What?

Not rotating assembly per say, more of adding rotating weight that shouldn't have to be there. I know its only a few ounces, but I've seen wheel studs break (factory length) when spacers are used with aftermarket wheels. Rims always seat better on the hub instead of the spacer. Well thats what I've found with the mitsubishi's.

Matt D. · 10-14-2005

The 16" tire size is 205/55-16.
The +1" tire size is 215/45-17.
The +2" tire size is 225/40-18.

Assuming you're staying around 6.5" to 7" wide wheels these sizes will give you good fittings tires and will keep your speedometer as accurate as possible.

rk4g63 · 10-14-2005

I really would prefer something like 17 or 18 dia by 8 to 9 width.
The 8" to 9" will give some serious stability and the 17" to 18" will allow me to use the big brake kit when I have the cash to pull it off.
Comments, anyone?

Outlaw1 · 10-14-2005

I don't know how big of a brake setup you want. I had wanted to try a set of Baer 13" brakes on my car. In the meantime I bought a 2G brake setup with Powerslot rotors and axxis pads. I doubt I'll end up with the Baer brakes now just because it stops so good. I think the 9" wheels will stick out pretty bad. An 8" wheel will kinda poke out also, but not bad.

Did you buy some good struts/springs yet?

rk4g63 · 10-14-2005

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Originally Posted by Super4x4Duty

I don't know how big of a brake setup you want. I had wanted to try a set of Baer 13" brakes on my car. In the meantime I bought a 2G brake setup with Powerslot rotors and axxis pads. I doubt I'll end up with the Baer brakes now just because it stops so good. I think the 9" wheels will stick out pretty bad. An 8" wheel will kinda poke out also, but not bad.

Did you buy some good struts/springs yet?

Don't know about the struts and springs - was kinda keeping them aside till I had more cash. Yep, the 8" would be OK. I WAS thinking on the lines of the 13" Baer kit.
How did you get the 2g powerslots to fit on a 1G?
Actually since I have the 94, I have the big brakes, so I'm yet debating about the Baer kit. However, I do know I want bigger and wider wheels, so I might as well keep in mind future associated mods right now.

Jakey · 10-16-2005

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Originally Posted by niterydr

Not rotating assembly per say, more of adding rotating weight that shouldn't have to be there. I know its only a few ounces, but I've seen wheel studs break (factory length) when spacers are used with aftermarket wheels. Rims always seat better on the hub instead of the spacer. Well thats what I've found with the mitsubishi's.

OK, wording is key here. Strain should not be a concern here because if RK is seeing any "strain," he's already f*cked since strain is in relation to deformation. Deformation is bad, obviously. What RK should be worried about is an increase in stress, shear stress to be exact. By adding a wheel spacer, as you said, the amount of contact between the lug nut and wheel stud is decreased which increases the amount of shear stress (force/area). If the amount of shear stress exceeds the spec of the wheel stud, strain will occur leading back the RK being f*cked issue.

I don't follow the comment about rims seating better on the hub versus a spacer. Theoretically, as long as the spacer, wheel, and hub are all true, there should be no difference in the way the rim "seats."

**Kracka** · 01-14-2006

I used the 13" Baer track-kit on my 1G with 17" '97-99 GSX wheels. I also had to buy some spacers (5/16" to be exact) for the wheels to fit over the brakes w/o rubbing. It really wasn't the greatest idea since I retained the stock studs and the lugnut only had a few threads to grip on to, but it seemed to work alright and the thing hauled down very nicely! I can see how spacers will place additional wear on the wheel bearings though. If you buy the proper offset wheel, there is no need for spacers.

**Goat Blower** · 01-14-2006

Holy old thread Batman.

Wheel type plays a large part in this. Good rims like Volks will fit upgraded brakes even under a 16" wheel. Factory wheels are thick and heavy, and won't fit big brakes as well. Also the factory calipers are very thick, upgraded aftermarket calipers would fit better under smaller rims as well.

I tried to tuck some 13" rotors under my aftermarket 16" rims with factory 93-94 calipers. They didn't fit. After much grinding and persuasion, they fit but I didn't feel good about the clearances with metal expansion under heavy braking, so I sold the rotors. You don't need much braking for drag racing anyways. :-)