Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog - Page 158

simulatedwood · 07-21-2014

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

That battery is too much Shawn, I would love to get it but I am tapped for car money. I just want to drive the damn thing. I went with the PC680 as they are relatively proven.

The guy who tested my other battery said its sadly very common that the tester shows it good but they still have to replace batteries to fix them. He saw it in action and agreed a new battery was in order, so I just ordered it as I just want to drive the car.

Ok.. I going to introduce some logic.. and it will blow you mind, is this your 3rd small battery @ 160 bucks a crack? Lets say you buy one anti gravity battery, you are still way ahead. You can get the smaller one @ $289. I Just went with the 600 Cranking amps, no this is not same old CCA which tends to be way overrated. But 600 cranking amps for 10 seconds or more which is insane.

**Murlo26** · 07-21-2014

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Originally Posted by simulatedwood

Ok.. I going to introduce some logic.. and it will blow you mind, is this your 3rd small battery @ 160 bucks a crack? Lets say you buy one anti gravity battery, you are still way ahead. You can get the smaller one @ $289. I Just went with the 600 Cranking amps, no this is not same old CCA which tends to be way overrated. But 600 cranking amps for 10 seconds or more which is insane.

technically, yes this is my 3rd lol.

I know what you are saying but I think I cooked the other two myself, no one else has these issues. Actually this is my 4th

I had the original one that came with the AMS kit, that one died pretty quick sitting in my garage through winter. So I bought another which never actually died, fully, but shows the same symptoms of my current battery. I left that one on my trickle charger through winter in my basement, same as I did with my current battery and they worked but not great and had trouble starting so I bought my current problem one last spring after the car was struggling to start. So I am guessing the last two were worn down my my trickle charger not working right.

I know A LOT of evo guys that run this PC680 that never seem to have issues like I do, so I was just assuming improper storage and charging on my end here.

I was going to buy a lithium one but didn't want to shell out that much. But you are right if the cause of those batteries failing wasn't by me or my charger, then I am throwing money away. But the symptoms of the batteries and my process pointed towards me being the culprit aka user error.

If this one bites the dust I will sack up next year and buy a lithium one. But I just feel like it was my storage of the battery that killed it.

turbotalon1g · 07-21-2014

I'm about to drop it on you bitches.
Walmart battery - $60-120 bam!!!

simulatedwood · 07-21-2014

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I'm about to drop it on you bitches.
Walmart battery - $60-120 bam!!!

I will see your walmart suggestion and offer him my good OEM battery for free.. Yes Murlo free..

**Murlo26** · 07-21-2014

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Originally Posted by simulatedwood

I will see your walmart suggestion and offer him my good OEM battery for free.. Yes Murlo free..

LOL, if this one doesn't work, then I will come grab your OEM one

But the battery is already bought and on the way. If the new one has issues then it is something else causing it not battery related and I will dig into that and sell my other battery or one of them.

It seemed like it had a dead cell though so guessing a new battery will work better.

**Halon** · 07-21-2014

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I'm about to drop it on you bitches.
Walmart battery - $60-120 bam!!!

I'll see your $60 walmart battery and raise you my $30 fleet farm battery, BOOM!

**JET** · 07-21-2014

I used a PC680 and I couldn't get them to last over 18 months. After killing 2 of those I put in a lawnmower battery from walmart and the thing lasted for years! It was like $55 too and about the size of a PC680.

**Halon** · 07-21-2014

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Originally Posted by JET

I used a PC680 and I couldn't get them to last over 18 months. After killing 2 of those I put in a lawnmower battery from walmart and the thing lasted for years! It was like $55 too and about the size of a PC680.

Exact same story here. Lawnmower batteries work fine, and are about as cheap to replace as an oil change. Standard once a year maintenance.

**cmspaz** · 07-22-2014

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Originally Posted by Halon

Exact same story here. Lawnmower batteries work fine, and are about as cheap to replace as an oil change. Standard once a year maintenance.

This discussion reminds me of when you had to charge my DSM battery on Uni to get me home.

turbotalon1g · 07-21-2014

Kaboom FTW.

Wish walmart wasn't so far, you could of had it in the car......

Sorry I really just wanted to use my pic, it's been a while.

**asshanson** · 07-21-2014

I toasted my Braille 2015 in 6 months (very similar to the pc680, not sure how long it was installed prior to me buying the car), would need a jump if I didn't drive it every couple weeks. Switched to Lithium, no more problems. The mini AGM batteries don't perform like stock, the Lithium are lighter and have way more power, they work like stock from my experience. Could leave my car a month and started up no problems.

I guess if you have already purchased, it's too late. But next year when you need another, +1 for Lithium.

**Murlo26** · 07-21-2014

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Originally Posted by asshanson

I toasted my Braille 2015 in 6 months (very similar to the pc680), would need a jump if I didn't drive it every couple weeks. Switched to Lithium, no more problems. The mini AGM batteries don't perform like stock, the Lithium are lighter and have way more power, they work like stock from my experience. Could leave my car a month and started up no problems.

I guess if you have already purchased, it's too late. But next year when you need another, +1 for Lithium.

LOL, well then...maybe my luck with these small batteries isn't my charging methods, sounds like a lot of others have had issues. I know a lot of guys running them in evos though, seems like the standard. Well, worst case I will sell it this fall and then buy a lithium one in spring.

**Kracka** · 07-21-2014

I never had an issue with them.

**Halon** · 07-22-2014

Ha, that was a long time ago.

**Murlo26** · 07-28-2014

Well the new PC680 started the car just fine, well minus the fact that there was still an air leak on the intake manifold making the car suck in air post MAF and make it a bit harder to start.

the new thermal spacer didn't work and upon closer inspection it appears there is an issue with the mating surface on the intake manifold. I did not want to use any sealant or anything as when we looked there was an apparent step or imperfection around runner 3.

Talking with Adam at MAP on facebook last night he thought the flat sanding process was probably the issue. I have already shot an email to Bill at MAP and I am sure they will take care of the issue but its just a PITA to have to keep pulling parts of and re-installing not to mention buying parts I don't need.

So hopefully they can fix the mating surface and get it true so it will seal up. If they fix it and it still leaks I will really be frustrated but i expect nothing less from my stupid evo. Even trying to go back to stock'ish its fighting me.

edit: emailed Chris back and forth. sounds like they recommend 2 OEM gaskets, one on each side to help sealing. Apparently the older thermal spacer I had was pliable enough to help with sealing and didn't need these but the new one I got they "need" them. I did mention I needed something pliable when I ordered so that kind of sucks that I am just finding this out now. I think Hughes said something about this earlier but I thought I was getting a direct replacement for my old spacer not one like I got which made the leak worse. Anyway, going to stop at MAP tomorrow to have them inspect the mating surface and see if its flat. If there is an issue with it I am still going to have the fix it and will probably get two OEM gaskets...more money spent, doh. Again, I should've just listened to Kracka but didn't realize I was getting the hard plastic one until it showed up.

evotuner · 07-28-2014

You'll get it man, just keep at it.

Just remember once this car is running to read through all your old posts and you'll remember to leave the car alone and just enjoy it

**Kracka** · 07-29-2014

Luckily the X intake mani is way easier to R&R than the 8/9's!

**Murlo26** · 07-29-2014

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Luckily the X intake mani is way easier to R&R than the 8/9's!

In exchange for turbos being harder to switch. I'd rather have it the other way as i am more likely to change exhaust manifolds/turbos than intake manifolds!

But from a performance/heat aspect the X is smarter.

Yes, it isn't too bad to pull off, but its just a pain to have to do it over and over again ya know.

**Kracka** · 07-29-2014

Totally understand that. So now you'll have 3 gaskets for a grand total of about $150?

This is the type I recommend, just so everyone is on the same page, they generally sold for around $25 or so and require no extra hardware, gaskets, etc.:

**Murlo26** · 07-29-2014

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Totally understand that. So now you'll have 3 gaskets for a grand total of about $150?

This is the type I recommend, just so everyone is on the same page, they generally sold for around $25 or so and require no extra hardware, gaskets, etc.:

That is what I had before. But the consensus seemed to be the gasket was the issue.

Then the new one basically made it worse. Which is why I think its the actual manifold not the gasket. I am sure if the manifold was true/flat I never would've had an issue.

And yes, i paid 30 bucks for that other one, worked great.

And also yes, now I have a total of 3 gaskets, worth like $150! It's stupid. I told them they need to update their site to say that you will need 3 as then I don't think most people would buy them.

When I bought the spacer that I have now they said it was the same as the old MAP one which is the white one I have which it wasn't.

Anyway, the plan is to see if this silly sandwich of gaskets fits with enough threads to torque it down properly. If so I will use it. If not I am saying screw it and i bought some permatex copper spray and I will use one OEM gasket and spray. I wanted to have a thermal spacer as the idea is sound and I think they work but this has gotten out of hand.

In the meantime I am still going to have MAP check the mating surface on the manifold and if its not true as i suspect they will fix it.