I just want to take a quick poll...

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Halon

Found this online, thought it was a funny little story...


A Father / Daughter Talk:

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals was very much in favor of higher taxes to Support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, ‘How is your friend Audrey doing?’ Again caught off guard she replied, ‘Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She’s so popular on campus that college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.

Her wise father asked his daughter, ‘Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.’ The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, ‘That’s crazy, anyway how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!’ The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.’

There are MANY more hard working middle class people that work twice as hard for A LOT less money. But the way the taxes are set up, the middle class is getting taxed almost half their paychecks. I make $60k a year, and my gross is $2307 they take out $697.04 leaving me with $1610 per check. I could use that $700 and make that go along way to making me enter that upper class rank. But the way the system is set up raising my taxes etc it keeps me at a middle to lower class rank. $60,000 should go a lot farther then it does. And i know a lot of people make a lot less then I do, I cant fathom how they do it.
The above story assumes that all peoples situations start out the same. and therefore should all be treated equally, That is not the case in the real world. People come from different backgrounds, different wealth, and different morals.
The story, while entertaining, is a typical view of republicans, Trying to wrap everyone up in a neat little package while disregarding all of the variables and not thinking things through and trying to benefit the country as a whole.

[BLaCk_1cE]

What'll really chap your ass is that the "federal" income tax is a fraud.

Watch the documentary by Aaron Russo titled America: Freedom to Fascism before you pass your judgement onto me.

[polishmafia]

LOL. You're seriously going to take us down the "federal income tax is a scam" route? Really?

[BLaCk_1cE]

Did you watch the video? Prove me and the constitution wrong, please.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74476580235299

There, I did the work for you.

[BLaCk_1cE]

The only reason I even brought up the tax is because Tom was talking about getting raped by taxes.

[Halon]

I pay similar taxes to you Tom. Maybe your money doesn't go as far because you live in Southern California where the cost of living is a bit high.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Halon

I pay similar taxes to you Tom. Maybe your money doesn't go as far because you live in Southern California where the cost of living is a bit high.

Yes that is definatly part of the problem. Hence why im going to be moving back next year.

[Matt D.]

Don't like the two party system? Do something about it.

Good reading right here, parts one and two:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton4.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton5.html

[BLaCk_1cE]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Don't like the two party system? Do something about it.

Good reading right here, parts one and two:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton4.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton5.html

Thats good stuff right there, and I agree with it.

[tpunx99GSX]

Just want to add this on the whole Obama vs McCain on the economy.
This was stated by the Oracle of Omaha, Warren Buffett. If you dont know who he is then you should not talk about the economy, he is currently the worlds richest man.
Sorry about the caps, its how it was listed in the transcript from May 05, 2008. http://www.cnbc.com/id/24469771/site/14081545/page/3/
QUICK: ALL RIGHT. LET'S TRY ANOTHER ONE. MY NAME IS JOHN McCAIN. AND, MR. BUFFETT, YOU ARE ON THE RECORD SAYING, YOU WOULD SUPPORT EITHER OBAMA OR CLINTON, BOTH OF MY OPPONENTS, AND I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO, ANY ECONOMIC ISSUE I CAN GET BEHIND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE YOU THINK TWICE ABOUT POTENTIALLY SUPPORTING ME?

BUFFETT: I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU FELT THAT THE TAX BURDEN SHOULD BE SHIFTED IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY TO THE SUPERRICH AND AWAY FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE ME RE-EVALUATE YOU.

QUICK: I COULD POTENTIALLY GAIN YOUR SUPPORT COME NOVEMBER?

BUFFETT: IN THE END, I VOTE ON ISSUES NOW. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IN THE MAJOR AREAS WHAT ALL THREE CANDIDATES WOULD DO. AND I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS HE HAS A -- I WOULDN'T SAY A SEX CHANGE, BUT A LOBOTOMY OR SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK McCAIN IS GOING TO CHANGE HIS VIEWS TO BE IN ACCORD WITH MINE. I ADMIRE HIM A LOT. I THINK HE'S AN ABSOLUTELY FIRST CLASS HUMAN BEING AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO ELECT SOMEBODY I HOPE IT IS JOHN McCAIN. BUT HE HAS TOO MANY IDEAS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN I DO, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF WHAT I WOULD CALL SOCIAL JUSTICE.

[1QUICK4]

I know I'm going to base my vote on Warren Buffet's opinions.

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

BUFFETT: IN THE END, I VOTE ON ISSUES NOW. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IN THE MAJOR AREAS WHAT ALL THREE CANDIDATES WOULD DO. AND I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS HE HAS A -- I WOULDN'T SAY A SEX CHANGE, BUT A LOBOTOMY OR SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK McCAIN IS GOING TO CHANGE HIS VIEWS TO BE IN ACCORD WITH MINE. I ADMIRE HIM A LOT. I THINK HE'S AN ABSOLUTELY FIRST CLASS HUMAN BEING AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO ELECT SOMEBODY I HOPE IT IS JOHN McCAIN. BUT HE HAS TOO MANY IDEAS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN I DO, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF WHAT I WOULD CALL SOCIAL JUSTICE.

Alright Tom, you need to read this paragraph 5 times, then ask a smart person what it means Warren says he votes on views now, that doesn't mean economic, he means everything. They he makes a statement about a sex change would change McCains views to be closer to his views, obviously he isn't talking about McCains economic policy. He said if McCain changed his economic policy majorly, then it would swing him. That does not mean that is what he is talking about in the next paragraph.

I am sure he is like most educated people and doesn't fully agree with any candidate in all areas. Therefore he grades each candidate in the important areas to him. When he talked about the economic change, that may have raised one of McCain's areas enough to beat the other candidates. That doesn't mean he likes ANY of the candidates economic policies, so this does not mean that McCain's economic policy sucks. Nice try Tom.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

Alright Tom, you need to read this paragraph 5 times, then ask a smart person what it means Warren says he votes on views now, that doesn't mean economic, he means everything. They he makes a statement about a sex change would change McCains views to be closer to his views, obviously he isn't talking about McCains economic policy. He said if McCain changed his economic policy majorly, then it would swing him. That does not mean that is what he is talking about in the next paragraph.

I am sure he is like most educated people and doesn't fully agree with any candidate in all areas. Therefore he grades each candidate in the important areas to him. When he talked about the economic change, that may have raised one of McCain's areas enough to beat the other candidates. That doesn't mean he likes ANY of the candidates economic policies, so this does not mean that McCain's economic policy sucks. Nice try Tom.

And how does this mean he is pro-Gay? And Who cares if he is? He didnt say that would swing him, he said he would Re-Evaluate him.
Warren Buffett is known for his Economic Knowledge, Since when was he ever known for his views on gay rights, or any other views that do not have to do with Economic policy. When he says that McCain would need a lobotomy in order for Buffett to swing him, that means he doesnt like ANY of his policys.
Dont sit there and say i am not educated because i will be voting for someone that can actually speak to a nation, doesnt run from a fight, and actually cares about the good of the nation and not the lobbiests he employs.
By you saying you will be voting for McCain proves you have no education. A Man to chooses the scariest vice president the world has seen on a whim, throws a hail mary by stating that he NEEDs to go to washington to "save the country" on an issue that he has no pull of whether it is approved or denied it is the Senate Finance Committee's job to approve or deny the plans. Like he is so well versed in the Economy. Hello Flipper:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ed_on_economy/
McCain is exactly what the country does NOT need. He is too quick to attempt to make policies that could rip apart this nation, instead of looking for a policy that will benefit the nation with less risk. Hes only doing this washington BS because his campaign was about to take a HUGE downturn. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

Jet, Maybe you need to educate yourself a little more and look at whats really going on. I have yet to find someone that can actually tell me what McCain indends to do with the economy, the war and healthcare.

Obama and his wife came from nothing, worked his ass off and graduated from Harvard, and is now going to be the next president. Its a lot better story then "I was a war hero, and married into money, vote for me"

[BLaCk_1cE]

They like to say Buffet is the richest man. Do some research on the Rothschilds once. How much are they worth? They print the money the world uses...

[JET]

Boy, you are so smart Tom. Do you realize the quote you put up there is saying that he doesn't support McCain because he isn't pro-gay? Leave it to Tom...

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

Boy, you are so smart Tom. Do you realize the quote you put up there is saying that he doesn't support McCain because he isn't pro-gay? Leave it to Tom...

Are you serious right now? Did you read the transcript that i linked to the quote? He was talking about tax reform. Im not sure what you were reading, because it wasnt what i quoted.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by BLaCk_1cE

They like to say Buffet is the richest man. Do some research on the Rothschilds once. How much are they worth? They print the money the world uses...

Forbes says that he is. And please note we are talking about the worlds richest man. not Family.

I do listen when Warren Buffett talks. A man that has lived his life in economics and managed to rise to the top of the worlds richest man, Yet still lives in the house he bought in the 1950s (for only $35k), Believes in Tax reform to raise taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle to lower classes, and has willed 85% of his wealth to the Bill Gates Foundation. The guy has proven himself time and time again to be one of the most influential economist of the past generation.
With whats currently going on with our government and the economic tasks that the next president will have. McCain is not qualified to make any economic decisions (and has said so from his own mouth at the Republican debate.)

[A//// Guy]

I have yet to find someone that will actually tell me what Obama is going to do with the economy, the war and healthcare, as well. Besides stating it will CHANGE and raising taxes.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

I have yet to find someone that will actually tell me what Obama is going to do with the economy, the war and healthcare, as well. Besides stating it will CHANGE and raising taxes.

Taxes: He will raise taxes for people making over $250,000/year, Middle class and lower classes will not recieve any tax increase, if anything it will get lower.

The war: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal

Healthcare: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All

Economy: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/


McCain is just scary:
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/mccain.cfm
- Tax breaks for the wealthy
- $4 billion in tax cuts for the 5 oil companies
- Taxation on Healthcare
- Supports Privatization of Social Security.
Someone show me

[JET]

Tom, your last post just shows how ignorant you are and how blind to the facts you are. Have I ever stated that I am voting for McCain? No, I never have. I am more educated than you are Tom and understand more about economics than you ever will. I like you as a person, but you get swayed so easily on political views. I wouldn't have a problem with this except that you go preaching to everyone on here like you actually have a clue what you are talking about. You spread a ton of BS around here and act like you know what you are talking about. Luckily many of the people on here see through your BS. People like you give other liberals a bad name.