Is The War In Iraq Worth Fighting?

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Originally posted by ghettostyle@Oct 12 2004, 09:57 AM

This it the thing about some of you republicans.* You can never seem top look outside of the box on issues.* You go to the polling station and mark everybox down under republican no matter who is running.* I am sure if Osama Bin Ladden was running as a republican he would show a good amount of votes since some of you idiots cant seem to pull your head out of your ass and look at a different view.* Have you noticed what a 3rd party does to elections?* It takes votes away from the democrats because of the republicans who will never look outside of the republican party.* BEING A REPUBLICAN CANIDATE DOESN'T MEAN THE PERSON IS ANY BETTER.

I thought this thread was about the war not how Republicans or Democrats suck? :stick:

I also find it funny that a hardcore non-republican knows exactly how republicans think and what their veiws are. Is that what they are teaching in college now? (know your enemy lol)

PS do you know how ridiculous that voting for Osama comment sounds.

[slowbubblecar]

I am not for biased for either side. Last election, I was for bush, but this year I am not. As far as the Bin Ladden thing goes, some people would probably vote for him if he was under the republican ticket.

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Originally posted by ghettostyle@Oct 12 2004, 05:56 PM
As far as the Bin Ladden thing goes, some people would probably vote for him if he was under the republican ticket.

I know what you ment but it is still ridiculous

[JDM]

Ok Ladies, back to the first question:

Is the war worth fighting.


In speaking to my friend Dave who is spending his SECOND tenure in Iraq, I've found that the news makes it seem a lot worse than it is. Don't get me wrong, IT'S BAD, but they don't all hate us. A few of em' do. For the most part, they need us there. I don't agree with the way that the president went about gaining support for the war, but going was absolutely necessary.

I heard someone say, "Why not wait till he was a real problem, not just a little one"

Isn't that what Clinton said about Osama Bin Ladin?

[CVD]

Kerry does not pull me in his direction at all. There are several key issues for me that Bush will do right on. Many of the issues that you dems are sighting do not mean as much to me such as health care, taxes on the middle/lower class, and outsourcing jobs. I believe in less government wherever possible, though sometimes it is necessary for someone to step in and regulate things a little. I wont sit and tell you that Bush can do no wrong, and that he has never made a mistake, but I'm going to vote for him because my core beliefs have little to nothing in common with Kerry's polices (that I know of??? he's not been very clear, other than to say he "has a plan") while all the most important issues to me are more in line with Bushes policies.

I also like the fact that Bush will follow through. You cant knock down the door to Iraq, poke your head in and go "whoops, my bad." And though I wont say war was an absolute necessity, I most certainly wont condemn it until the final results are seen.

[john]

You cant knock down the door to Iraq, poke your head in and go "whoops, my bad."

We had an easy chance to do that before we attacked them. The time would have been when the inspectors found nothing as far as WMDs. They found nothing and Bush said so what, lets bomb the shit out of them!

my core beliefs have little to nothing in common with Kerry's polices 

You have no care about the well being of the american citizens? Health car is a big problem today. Without it, many people are going to die. I eighter posted it on this thread or the other (the stats since Bush cam into office). His "new" plan is only going to cover 2-3 million people. Kerrys plan is expected to cover 27 million. Yeah it is going to cost 5 times as much but I feel it is needed. Outsourcing and the economy are also great issues I care about. I have to worry about how I can support myself or a family in the future. If the economy go to shit (well, worse than it is) it is going to be very hard for me to get a job out of school.
I have to start my damn homework now. I will catch up with other posts later.

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Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Oct 12 2004, 10:03 PM
The time would have been when the inspectors found nothing as far as WMDs. They found nothing and Bush said so what, lets bomb the shit out of them!

If you were watching the news before the war Hanz (sp) and his group of UN inspectors were getting nothing but problems/hassles trying to inspect possible sights. They were being refused entry to many places.

[CVD]

When we busted in the door on Iraq we had the entire United Nations going "Yeah, there're deffinately WMD's in there." Now, they may not have wanted to go to war, but they were just as sure as we were when we went in that they were there. Whether they are there or not now makes no difference for the time being. It'll make a difference when all is said and done, but for now we need to stay the course.



And you and I have different ideas of American well being. I dont think Gov't subsidized healthcare is the way to go. I dont even have med ins. right now, but you know whos fault that is? Mine. You know whos gonna fix it? Me.
I'd love for everyone to be able to figure this out. For some it will be a harsh lesson. In the end it will cost us all the same....right? Oh, wait, no. The RICH people should have to subsidize the poor's healthcare.

See, in my mind that isnt right. In yours it may be. This is why you will vote for Kerry and I will vote for Bush. I dont plan on ever being rich enough to benefit from "my way of thinking" but that doesnt matter to me. For me, that's what's right.

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Originally posted by 92tsiawd84+Oct 10 2004, 01:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (92tsiawd84 @ Oct 10 2004, 01:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-1QUICK4@Oct 10 2004, 12:08 AM
What would you call these people who are blowingup children, civilians, and our troops in Iraq?

I would say that they are trying to defend their country like the rest of us would hopefully do if we were invaded.

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An update on your "people just defending their country" (foriegn insurgents)

I guess the REAL IRAQIS are finnally fed up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6229305/

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Seems they uncovered a couple of new mass graves in Iraq as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/13/...aves/index.html

a quote from this article
"Human rights groups believe about 300,000 people were killed during Saddam's 24-year rule, which ended when U.S.-led forces toppled his regime in 2003."

I hope this opens peoples eyes to what a bad person Saddam really was and why he needed to be removed from power.

And you can find both of these last stories I posted on ALL the major news websites. Not just FOX news

[A//// Guy]

This just in...

Dont know what this means but you guys can take a look. Maybe I was right about the WMD being in a different country... (they moved them before we got there for the war.)

NOTICE CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/14/...reut/index.html

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Here is a great clip of John Kerry's veiw on the Iraq war.

http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/101104v1-1.wmv

It is quite interesting

[Jakey]

These two definitely provide a powerful point:
http://www.swiftvets.com/

[A//// Guy]

Not too many Kerry supports are posting in here any more... interesting once real news gets put in here.

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Originally posted by EclipseTurbo@Oct 16 2004, 12:25 AM
Not too many Kerry supports are posting in here any more... interesting once real news gets put in here.

I heard that

Misinformed :whipped:

[npaulseth]

I am a Kerry suporter, but don't agree with everything he says. I am for this war. Is that enough?

[Eclipse99]

Originally posted by tpunx99GSX@Oct 9 2004, 08:45 PM
alpineTSI im going to attack you personally because you seem to be shielded to the world around you and need to be enlightened a little. Is is that you are too stupid to realise what is going on or are you just ignorant to the truth. The original reason we went into iraq was because of 9/11 and because saddam was killing his own people and there was a supposed threat of saddam creating nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction. The UN investigators have found no weapons and have proved that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. and saddam started to light the oil fields on fire and we attacked him even more. so why are we still in there, we got saddam and established a "New" Government. why are we still sending troops in their. If this was wasnt about oil then what the fuck was it about alpinetsi, being that you know so fucking much why dont you explain what it was about.
The war on terrorism should be fought against the terrorists that hit our country which were in afgansistan, saddam was a terrorist against his own country and never made direct attacks against us.

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The fact of the matter is that saddam did have weapons of mass destruction as well as chemical weapons. ask anyone suffering from gulf war syndrom, they are still feeling the effects of the chemical weapons used by saddams regime in the gulf war. If he had them then and also to gas the kurds I am so sure that he just got rid of them all and could no longer create them, I seriously dobt it. The fact is after we had control in Iraq numerous hidden weapons depots were found inside in many places including inside schools and hospitals. the truth is chemical shells were found. they were not equiped to be fired at the time but how hard would it be to attach them to another shell and fire them, not to tough. The war was not focused only on wmds, (which were found), but also the brutal tactics used to rule in Iraq. did you know that only a week priot the war someone spoke badly about saddam, he was arrested tied to a pole in the center of town, had his tounge cut out and was left to bleed to death in front of all the people as an example. Not to mention the over 3 million people who are mysteriously missing, hmmm.....i wondr what happened to them. Also Iraq was the host nation to a number of large terrorist training camps and was also providing funding to terrorist groups including al queda who if you remeber killed over 3000 americans in the attact of 9/11. Don't even try to pin this war on oil. this war is about removing a tyrant and a terrorist from a powerful and influential postion in the middle east. Had saddam used his head and complied with the treaties of the gulf war in 1991 and complied with the U.N. resolution this war would not be necessary. The reason we attack him more when he burn oil fields is because this is the major source of economy for the nation of Iraq, and without it the people will have no economy and will fall into the same position as many poor african nations that have minimal resources. Without this oil the poeple of iraq have no chance of ever becoming anything. With it they can be a major contributor to the worlds economy. The truth is the oil isnt all that importatnt to the U.S., there is more oil in alaska than in the entire rumala oil field of the middle east. I know alot about this war and have studided it as a political science student at St. John's University, Most people who opose this war are tose that don't understand the real and true reasoning behind as well as the facts that have led to it and arissin from it.

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Well put :thumbsup:

[SlowWhite]

Well I'll admit I don't fallow Political stuff to closely.

But since you asked for view points.


1) I'm for the War, but wish we'd get help from other nation's, what we are doing needed to be done. - If you attack our nation you are declaring war, and if it's not the country's isnt' responsible, and they can't hand over the people responsible then they should allow us (seeing as we were the ones attacked) to get justice for what was done.

2) Saddam - is IMO today's Hitler. Saddom/some of these religions believe that if you aren't for them or with them then you are there enemy and are lower then dirt basically. Hitler didn't care about anything other then world domination.

Do you think Saddam wouldn't mind rulling the world if he had the chance? I believe him, and everyone with his views/beliefs believe that no-one other then there Race/Religion is worthy of anything. So basically if they kill you, so what you weren't worth anything anyways.

I mean how would you like to walk outside and live in fear that if you came across one of these people that they have the ability/Right to just kill you for not doing what they say, or for just saying something bad about them. I for one believe my life is worth something. And I for one don't believe anyone else has the right to tell me or force me to do what "they" want.

I mean have we forgotten all the images/story's of how Saddam and his sons brutely killed women/Children/men.

Governmnent - Getting ride of Saddam was definetely the right thing to do. We are trying to let peopel govern themselves (ie: so we can leave) but unfortunetely I think some of you are right. We can't just simply leave. There is a Power Struggle going on, and until that's resolved we have to stay and help these people get there freedom. And Like most of you think it's going to be a long term thing. It sucks that we are in this situation personally I wish it had never come to this. But it did. I only wish we had the backing of the U.N. as well as all the other country's that believe that Saddam and anyone else who does what he does deserves to be punished for there crimes against humanity.


Anyrate like I said I don't like to keep up with politics cause it only agrivates me. But from what I know (which is limited) this is what I believe.

-I believe everyone has a right to life
-I believe everyone has a right to Religion
-I believe everyone has a right to be punished for there crimes
-I believe everyone has a right to freedom of speak
Basically I believe in the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and the Ten Commandments.

And everyone in the world should have a right to all those things. No-one should have the right to "FORCE" us to do anything, or denie us those rights.

[Eclipse99]

Originally posted by 1QUICK4@Oct 18 2004, 12:30 PM
Well put :thumbsup:

thank you my good man