Please give your opinion and reasons why you support or do not support the reasons for going to war against Iraq. Do you think we needed to go?

the war in afghanistan is worth fighting, the war in iraq is for oil, would you die for lower gas prices. well many people have and the prices went up.

BS.How is Iraq a war for oil?

I swear to god Tom has got to be the most uneducated bastard I have ever met. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't spout off all the time. I have been reading all these topics, and remaining silent about it all, but in every topic Tom says something absolutely stupid and without basis. Not to attack you personally but I can't stand it when people know little or nothing about something and then voice their lack knowledge publicly, just further embarassing themselves. How much lower are gas prices now compared to when we started this? Oh yeah they are higher, shut up now please. Go pray to your Michael Moore shrine.

And go ahead and be a child and something stupid about me, but in the end at least I will know that I never looked stupid publicly.

Now back to the topic on hand,

Irag was believed to be a threat and we dealt with them in a manner as to prevent another tradegy. Same situation when Clinton knew about Afghanistan, but this time we did something about.

alpineTSI im going to attack you personally because you seem to be shielded to the world around you and need to be enlightened a little. Is is that you are too stupid to realise what is going on or are you just ignorant to the truth. The original reason we went into iraq was because of 9/11 and because saddam was killing his own people and there was a supposed threat of saddam creating nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction. The UN investigators have found no weapons and have proved that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. and saddam started to light the oil fields on fire and we attacked him even more. so why are we still in there, we got saddam and established a "New" Government. why are we still sending troops in their. If this was wasnt about oil then what the fuck was it about alpinetsi, being that you know so fucking much why dont you explain what it was about.
The war on terrorism should be fought against the terrorists that hit our country which were in afgansistan, saddam was a terrorist against his own country and never made direct attacks against us.

"How much lower are gas prices now compared to when we started this? Oh yeah they are higher, shut up now please."
How much was gas before this war, and how much is gas now. your an idiot and obviously dont know how to read or can read and just dont comprehend what i said.
we went in there for oil and it backfired. dumbshit.

First of all, we did NOT invade Iraq because of 9/11 or Nukes.We went into Iraq because of Saddams repeated breaking of UN resolutions.I don't know where you got this info.

If you're so sure this war was for oil, maybe you could tell me how exactly we can/will benefit from Iraqi oil? Or more specifically how Bush or his administration benefit from Iraqi oil?

By the way, NOTHING regarding Iraq and WMDs or links to terrorism has been either proven or disproven, once again, I don't know where you get this info.Michael Moore?

We are still ther because they are not yet capable of controlling the insurgancy.


None of the 9/11 hijackers were from "Afghanistan" as you put it. I think bush picked a perfect central point for the war on terrorism. What would you call these people who are blowingup children, civilians, and our troops in Iraq? Or the people kidnapping aid workers and engineers trying to rebuild Iraq. I would call them terrorists Tom. Most of them are not from Iraq, they are just coming there from other terrorist supporting countries to disrupt the prosses of uniting a free self ruled Iraq.

If we were to pull out now you would see the worst Radical Islamic state in the history of the world. It would make Syria look like DisneyLand.

I would say that they are trying to defend their country like the rest of us would hopefully do if we were invaded.

Clinton was not in office when we were attacked and IMO could not have for seen the events that would take place a year and a half later.

Personally, I do not think that we should be in Iraq. The only thing I think we have gained is that we captured Saddam. The bad things I can think of now:

-We went to war for WMD and there are none to be found. The inspectors couldn't
find any and we couldn't find any. Bush and company convinced everyone that
Iraq had them, scaring the public with the outdated chemicals that they found.
(Eric, I believe the CIA finally released the statement that Iraq did not have
WMD. I will read into it furthur when I get some more time. It was on the news
when I was walking out the door the other day.)
-It has cost the US roughly $130,000,000,000.00 to capture Saddam. Costs are
suppsoed to exceed $200 billion by the end of next year. I believe that this
money could have been used elsewhere like heath care, the economy, and more
domestic problems we have here.
-It has cost us over 1000 american lives to capture him
-It has cost well over 10,000 Iraqi civillians. I see on average a range from
12,000-15000 depending on where you look.
-We pretty much went to war on our own, without enough allies. We didn't wait for
NATO to back us, we just bombed them at 3 in the morning Iraqi time. The slogan
was that war is inevitable. He was set on attacking no matter what anyone
thought.

That is all I can think of now. From my stand point right now, the consequences of going far outweigh the benefits of going. I would like to believe the war is a just cause but I cannot right now. Other than capturing Saddam, what else did we gain? Why did the US have to take action versus any country in the world?

haha OK you almost know what you're talking about

hahha my thoughts exactly. it's a michael moore apostle, watch out!

Yes, war is not just iraq, against terrorism. Creating liberty in iraq is one small step. Relinquishing saddam of arbitrary control was necessary. The fact you even raise this question is beyond me. Even the most liberal presidential canidate kerry agrees, but he has his head so far up his ass he can never find his way out. It is so impossible to decipher what he thinks should of been done. He is just pointing fingers and claiming I would of done better in order to get in office. Democrats should of chosen a better canidate. This guy never accomplished anything in 20 years. Never even passed a bill. He says he is for the war on iraq, but he voted against the gulf war. I think this guy is the biggest wussy in the senate and his intensions are purely political. I hate this miserable old fart. I dont trust him as far as I can throw him. Spreading democracy is the altimate key against terrorism and taking immediate action against threats to are freedom.

How did they threaten us? I was not aware of this. When did it happen? As far as the war goes, I see Korea pissed off at us waiting to launch their WMDs. I do not see peace around the world. Americans are hated now more than ever. The biggest act of terror someone can inflict is war, invading their country with a large infantry and attacking them.

I would say that they are trying to defend their country like the rest of us would hopefully do if we were invaded.
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Most of the terrorists doing this stuff aren't even Iraqis, so how are they defending their county? Besides, How is blowing up your fellow citizens defending your country anyway?

Iraq was a threat because they had the capacity. Why do you think we were in the gulf war. Do you really believe we are in iraq because they are not a threat to us. Now the people of iraq will no longer be ruled by a tyrant. Why do you believe Korea is pissed off at us. Countries that were behind now are starting to have the capacities for WMD. What else is new. I dont believe Korea is more of a threat to are national security then Saddam was. I would vote for Bush if your so concerned about Korea because he is the only one that will take action. Terrorism has been growing. Americans are not hated more than ever, they are hated by terrorists. When I lived in europe for a short time I did not meet anyone who hated americans. The biggest act of terror is not war, it is causing intense demoralization and intimidation through any means necessary, hence 9/11. We are not terrorists!

Most of the terrorists doing this stuff aren't even Iraqis, so how are they defending their county? Besides, How is blowing up your fellow citizens defending your country anyway? [/b][/quote]
My point exactly

Knowing that Korea has WMD does not make them a bigger threat than Iraq?

Well, four year in office, we have gone to war twice. Under Bush, I am afraid that he is going to take on Iran and N. Korea at the same time. Ofcourse we will not have Ossama yet and will be waging four wars at the same time (Ossama, Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea). How do you expect to accomplish this without a draft? It seems as if Bush and Cheney would not have a problem implimenting a draft. At the same time, with everyone at war, who would be here to protect us against acts of terrorism? Out of the three countries in the middle east that "had" WMDs we attacked the one that didn't. How do you think it would be fighting a war with WMDs being used against us?

If we are waging the "war against terror" would it be safe to say that we are losing then? If terrorism is growing and we are hated more by terrorists, doesn't that mean that we are at a larger risk of being attacked that we were before?

Facts/sources/links please. I haven't seen anything that supports that Iraqis are blowing them selves up. Like I said, I would like to believe that we are not doing more harm than good but I cannot yet.

Turn on the news.Read the paper.

suicide bombings

more suicide bombings

A short search will bring up many more. And you might notice that WAY more Iraqi's are being targeted than Americans. Most suicide bombings I hear of are directed towards the new Iraqi police forces.

These people arent fighting to take Iraq back. They have it, it belongs to them, not us. They are fighting for power. They want us out so they can take power for themselves, rather than allowing the country to elect it's own leader.