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[Super Bleeder!!]

swanny i'm not hating on you, and i dont' mean to piss you off. its just that the site has been relatively drama free lately and well... what fun is that? ZERO FUN!

back to the topic:
lets not even get into the supra tranny crap. there have been so many 9sec street supras on stock transmissions i can't even name them all (or know them all, hah). ryan woon being being one of the faster peeps.

you're all gonna get worked by Slow Mark and his chubby fratboy carmate anyways. the real races are going to be between those cobras and jake, and i think jake will still be winning.

[niterydr]

yeah drama is fun.
Fast Mark has some serious power on tap. Nitrous Mark has alot of plans, and the rest of the "porkey's players" always get faster.
I have some friends that call Jake's camaro a damm death drap and not stable at any speed, lol. But you can't deny its power.

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

See "King of the Streets" and "King of the Streets 2" on NABR. NUFF SAID.

How did you get on nabr? I have tryed a few times a while ago but couldn't. I gave up because I couldn't get someone to invite me.

[TheBlizzard]

Swanny are you planning on dumping a shit load of weight out of your car? If not I feel no matter how much power you make you will never be able to put it to the ground without breaking your transmissions and/or transfer cases.

From doing some reading on 3/S's I have came to the conclusion that the reason they have under achieved is not because they cannot make butt loads of power, its because they are huge ANCHORS that have suspect drivetrains because they are so heavy. You take a 3/S drivetrain and put it into a 2500lb car and it would probably be indestructable.

Prime example would be Matts J's VR4. When we were at Cedar Falls a few months ago he was having a hard time getting out of the hole really good (bogging launches). JET and I told him to set up his 2 step and anti lag. He did so and the next run he stripped the pinion gear in his transfer case I believe.

After talking to him he explained that he has gone throug a bunch of these already at 1200 dollars a pop. I asked if there was a more beefed up version that wouldn't break. He responded by saying "if you saw the thing and saw how much metal it is composed of you would wonder why its so weak".

Unless you have something under your sleeve Swanny or just plan on racing from a roll I have a feeling that your are going to be grenading tranfer cases quicker than AJ in bed.

Hands down Supras are far superior vehicles from a racers standpoint. There really should be no argument there if you know anything about perfomance. Yeah Supras are expensive and the interior is kind of ugly. Personally I like 3/S cars, I was looking at buying one actually for a daily driver, which is moderately modded would be great for that.

However if money was no object and I could choose between the two and I wanted to go really fast and not break shit everytime I drove it, it wouldn't take me more than a few seconds to pick the Toyota over the Mitsu any day.

If I wanted to do highway pulls and not have to shift out of third until well into 100mph than I would get a 3/S.

But what do I know I drive a GTP as a daily driver.

[FattyBoomBatty]

from a drag-racers stand point, yeah, rear wheel drive is going to be better for really really fast cars.

but you should try these things they have now called corners - super fun!

[CDeutsch]

+1 for Supra at a drag strip and on a dyno

+1 for 3S everywhere else

[niterydr]

There are a few solutions in development to the transfer case issues. One is already released and in prototype, and the other (ours) is still in design, and should be getting machined within the next month, if we decide to execute on the project. (Pretty much, if the already existing prototype works, we'll drop it, if their's breaks...ours will be made).
The stealth is good "from roll" it was 130mph 3rd gear at 7k, and I will be reving and making good power to 8500rpm this season.
So in short, yes my sleeves are full .

[At-Least-It's-An-Evo]

Originally Posted by Conquests

from a drag-racers stand point, yeah, rear wheel drive is going to be better for really really fast cars.

but you should try these things they have now called corners - super fun!

A Supra can still outhandle a 3/S. RWD owns in mostly all aspects of any racing.

[CDeutsch]

Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-White

A Supra can still outhandle a 3/S. RWD owns in mostly all aspects of any racing.

Drifting isn't considered "racing".

[At-Least-It's-An-Evo]

Originally Posted by CDeutsch

Drifting isn't considered "racing".

Never said it was . That is the rice of racing.

[MustGoFaster]

Matt J's car is Spyder. So not only does it have the disadvantage of being a 3/S landbarge, it's the HEAVYEST one you can get! Spyders weigh in around ~4000lbs. He has a 6speed though, Josh and I are running 5 speeds, wich so far just explode t-case housings not the gears, at least until we have a housing that holds.

On the subject of weight:
Supra:1998 6-speed manual Curb weight, 3,445/3,505 (W/O and with Sport roof) http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/98_brochure/

3/S:1994-1999 Curb Weight : 3760 lbs (coupe), 3995 lbs (Spyder)
http://www.modernracer.com/mitsubishi3000gtvr4.html

1999 Eclipse GSX 3,270 lbs.
http://www.engine-power.com/mitsubishi/eclipse_gsx.html

1990 GSX Curb Weight 3145 lbs
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclBuyersGuide.htm

06' Z06 Vette 3132 lbs
http://www.fast-autos.net/makes.html


So yeah, the extra 300lbs over a Supra makes it a complete piece of crap that can't get out of it's own way.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by MustGoFaster

Matt J's car is Spyder. So not only does it have the disadvantage of being a 3/S landbarge, it's the HEAVYEST one you can get! Spyders weigh in around ~4000lbs. He has a 6speed though, Josh and I are running 5 speeds, wich so far just explode t-case housings not the gears, at least until we have a housing that holds.

On the subject of weight:
Supra:1998 6-speed manual Curb weight, 3,445/3,505 (W/O and with Sport roof) http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/98_brochure/

3/S:1994-1999 Curb Weight : 3760 lbs (coupe), 3995 lbs (Spyder)
http://www.modernracer.com/mitsubishi3000gtvr4.html

1999 Eclipse GSX 3,270 lbs.
http://www.engine-power.com/mitsubishi/eclipse_gsx.html

1990 GSX Curb Weight 3145 lbs
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclBuyersGuide.htm

06' Z06 Vette 3132 lbs
http://www.fast-autos.net/makes.html


So yeah, the extra 300lbs over a Supra makes it a complete piece of crap that can't get out of it's own way.

What do you mean? You can't cut down on some weight buy pulling out the 120lb front seats? The 40lbs rear seats? Maybe decrease some weight from that 60lb front hood?
Let alone the heavy ass rims from the factory.
Yeah you are right, my car will be a 4000lb turd .
My heavy turd should weigh about 3600lbs with driver, and cage. Still heavy, but not that bad compared to regular high performance cars. Not economy focused sport compacts, cars that were designed to compete in a racing series.

[Kracka]

Not to mention those 300 pounds can be shaved off with aftermarket exhaust, different wheels, and a carbon fiber hood. Toss in some aftermaket seats and you're lighter than a Supra. What a heavy piece of shit the 3/S is...

[MustGoFaster]

Originally Posted by S2kracka

Not to mention those 300 pounds can be shaved off with aftermarket exhaust, different wheels, and a carbon fiber hood. Toss in some aftermaket seats and you're lighter than a Supra. What a heavy piece of shit the 3/S is...

Gotta remeber you can do all that to Supra's. We still lose. I will just enjoy my slowness.

[TheBlizzard]

Being heavy doesn't make the 3/S a piece of shit in any means in my opinion. Actually its one of its strongest points. I think when it was designed it was not designed to go straight fast in the 1/4 mile per say. I think it was made for more of a touring car that is excellent on the freeway on in corners at higher speeds. I am sure that it has minimal co-efficient drag at high speeds, and we all know they have a really high top end.

When left stock or lightly modified it would be a perfect car and most likely would not break as much. And the drivetrains would not be suspect.

However the fact still remains, when you start talking about making 1000whp in a 3/S. Even if it did weight in a 3600lbs. You would still shred stock drivetrains.

I think Swanny is on the right track by trying to develope a alternative to the stock t-case. If you could develope a drivetrain that would take the power, you would have one hell of a machine.

[MustGoFaster]

That's kind of were I was going. When I say negative things about something I'm spending a bunch of money on I will typically be "saying" it sarcastically. The internet sucks at that.

Just cause it's a little heavier, and a bit weak in the drive train area, most people just say they suck compared to a Supra. Yeah, but stock for stock the Supra's price tag sucks compared to the 3S. DSM's suck compared to Supra's, but how many people here have them?

[Shotgun!]

Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-White

A Supra can still outhandle a 3/S. RWD owns in mostly all aspects of any racing.

Actually if you have seen any of the Best Motoring track events from that period you would see what we are talking about. The GTO and Supra have the same lap times EVERY LAP BUT THE FIRST, the first lap is from a standing start so the GTO takes the supra by .9". The Supra has a slightly faster corner entry and the GTO has a slightly faster corner exit. As far as the straights go, the supra can keep up with the GTO on most. The times the Supra can't are when the straights are longer or higher speed. The faster the roll, the more advantage the GTO has.
Also look at the RIDOX Supra getting destroyed by a nearly stock FD3S to see how pointless the Supra is at cornering. The owner of the Supra (Orido) knew it would happen too. He was happy "the Supra is doing better than I had thought". -He had started right next to the FD3S and was one lap in and could no longer see it.

[TheBlizzard]

The thing that turns people on to Supras soooo much is the fact that the aftermarket is full of overpriced kits to make them look and drive like they do on TV. All you have to do is have a butt load of money and be able to click a mouse and use a phone and you can have a car that will turn heads and hawl ass.

The slogan should be "Hey you can be like Paul Walker and Vin Diesel if you buy all these HKS parts that cost a small fortune".

But then again the fact can't be denied that there is way more bolt on parts for Supras than there are 3/S's. That might have a lot do with the fact is that the motor is more practical starting point when building a high horse power vehicle.

That just means that if you want to modify a 3/S you have to fabricate most of your own parts, especially if you want to stand out from the rest. When you own a Supra it just comes down to who has most cash.

[Shotgun!]

Very true. The only Supras that do stand out any more are RB26 powered. JUN's Akira was/is really sweet but nothing on it is OEM anymore. The fact that Satsuma of JUN calls the 2JZ a truck motor speaks for the horsepower movement in the after market. He knew the only way to make usable power for it was a stroker kit.

[Swifty1638]

...not to mention that the in-line 6 is argumentatively the best designed engine in the world for street cars (not talking f1, or racing shit). I have yet to see a 3s motor turn as much hp as a supra motor can, with a stock bottom end..

-A. Swift