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jeremy1375 · 02-06-2015

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

We as a country do import a lot of oil, but we also produce a lot for our own use.

If OPEC and the Saudies have such a monopoly on low cost production, our ramping up production for our own use shouldn't really scare them, but it did. Just like politicians, don't pay attention to what they say, pay attention to what they do. They last thing they want is an oil independent USA.

Who said that the Saudi's are scared? I don't see these as the actions of fear or weakness. We have been exporting our shale oil and taking away their market share. They are giving us a reality check.

**1ViciousGSX** · 02-06-2015

That reality check goes both ways.

jeremy1375 · 02-06-2015

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

That reality check goes both ways.

How? They are still making money off oil. Our shale operations are shedding jobs. They wait and starve our operations for long enough, then our production cuts and oil prices go back up. We lose, they win.

**1ViciousGSX** · 02-06-2015

If we use our reserves and start producing our own oil for our own use, then it doesn't doesn't matter what they do. Sure, we may pay a little more at the pump for it, but we've been paying more at the pump since they started bumping it up while we sat on our thumbs anyway. So we could spend $3 a gallon with the money going to OPEC or we could spend $3 a gallon keeping the money here. I'm all for keeping it here.

jeremy1375 · 02-06-2015

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

If we use our reserves and start producing our own oil for our own use, then it doesn't doesn't matter what they do. Sure, we may pay a little more at the pump for it, but we've been paying more at the pump since they started bumping it up while we sat on our thumbs anyway. So we could spend $3 a gallon with the money going to OPEC or we could spend $3 a gallon keeping the money here. I'm all for keeping it here.

It completely matters what they do. Oil trades on a world market. In our world market economy, the world market sets the oil price. Our own oil can't sell for more than the market price because that's not how it works.

tpunx99GSX · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Alternative energy is a joke, as witnessed by Solyndra and other companies our government have poured billions into and then closed their doors. If something is economically feasible, it should be self-suffiicient, not dependent on constant taxpayer funding. Oil and nuclear are the answer, lift the stupid regulations on them trying to make silly ideas like solar and wind feasible. Both have some merit, but only in certain locations and situations.

Didnt realize this was the Fox News Forums.
Just because a company that was funded by the government went under is not the only case against Alt Energy. Alternative energy needs to be developed. As a country we need to develop alternative energy as we are slaves to the oil industry. Oil and Nuclear are NOT the answer. Oil is a Non Renewable resource there is a finite supply. The sun is not going out, and Wind is not going to stop, we harness these RENEWABLE resources and we win as a society and a country and not to mention Earth. Its thoughts like yours that are whats wrong with our energy policy. I would rather my tax dollars go towards Alt Energy than Oil Subsidies.

polishmafia · 02-09-2015

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The sun is not going out

Incorrect. In 5 billions years, the sun expand and will engulf Mercury, Venus, and Earth. Then it will go supernova.

Who knows what will happen to Uranus!

tpunx99GSX · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by polishmafia

Incorrect. In 5 billions years, the sun expand and will engulf Mercury, Venus, and Earth. Then it will go supernova.

Who knows what will happen to Uranus!

Touche. But we will already be moved to a new solar system.

**1ViciousGSX** · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by jeremy1375

It completely matters what they do. Oil trades on a world market. In our world market economy, the world market sets the oil price. Our own oil can't sell for more than the market price because that's not how it works.

You missed the point of my post. I'm not talking about selling it on the open market. I'm talking about producing it for our own use exclusively. Just like Japan refuses to export/sell their rice on the open market.

**1ViciousGSX** · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Didnt realize this was the Fox News Forums.
Just because a company that was funded by the government went under is not the only case against Alt Energy. Alternative energy needs to be developed. As a country we need to develop alternative energy as we are slaves to the oil industry. Oil and Nuclear are NOT the answer. Oil is a Non Renewable resource there is a finite supply. The sun is not going out, and Wind is not going to stop, we harness these RENEWABLE resources and we win as a society and a country and not to mention Earth. Its thoughts like yours that are whats wrong with our energy policy. I would rather my tax dollars go towards Alt Energy than Oil Subsidies.

The private market will take care of it and do a better job when the government stops picking winners and losers. Oh, and follow the money,.....

BTW, I'm all for solar, wind and hydro electric power,......... But we are a long way away from producing energy that comes close what fossil fuels can. Fossil fuels still have the highest energy output per volume used.

tpunx99GSX · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

The private market will take care of it and do a better job when the government stops picking winners and losers. Oh, and follow the money,.....

BTW, I'm all for solar, wind and hydro electric power,......... But we are a long way away from producing energy that comes close what fossil fuels can. Fossil fuels still have the highest energy output per volume used.

We are a good deal away, but i think is closer than you think. Are we going to eliminate fossil fuels anytime soon. No. But the demand will continue to decrease as cars get more efficient and more geared towards EVs. The more electric vehicles we get, the more viable Solar and wind becomes. Solar panels main challenge is getting the output of the panels more efficient. But they have been increasing more and more every year. (I used to work for a company called Polytec which creates laser vibrometers (laser system that measures vibrations to a picometer) and they were essential in aiding the efficiency of solar panels among other things)

tpunx99GSX · 02-09-2015

my main point is that its completely naive and unintelligent to call Solar and alternative energies a joke and that Oil is the way of the future based on one company folding.

jeremy1375 · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

You missed the point of my post. I'm not talking about selling it on the open market. I'm talking about producing it for our own use exclusively. Just like Japan refuses to export/sell their rice on the open market.

I didn't miss the point. You talk about government over regulation being a bad thing. Yet, you are suggesting a government regulation that is so monumental, it dwarfs anything to date. I assumed you didn't understand how things worked because you want things both ways.

**1ViciousGSX** · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by jeremy1375

I didn't miss the point. You talk about government over regulation being a bad thing. Yet, you are suggesting a government regulation that is so monumental, it dwarfs anything to date. I assumed you didn't understand how things worked because you want things both ways.

That has nothing to do with government regulation, it's just smart. We have access to more oil here than we could ever use in the long term, so why keep playing the open market "shell" game? Because too much money is tied to it at a higher market value, that's why.

Nothing will ever dwarf Obamacare and socialized medicine, they own you now.

**1ViciousGSX** · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

my main point is that its completely naive and unintelligent to call Solar and alternative energies a joke and that Oil is the way of the future based on one company folding.

I've never thought solar and other alternatives as a joke, but the reality of it is as you said, still a good ways off.

I like solar and hydro electric the most for on the grid uses. I like thermal electric also. Any or all of those three combined could make a major shift in the right direction.

tpunx99GSX · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Alternative energy is a joke, as witnessed by Solyndra and other companies our government have poured billions into and then closed their doors. If something is economically feasible, it should be self-suffiicient, not dependent on constant taxpayer funding. Oil and nuclear are the answer, lift the stupid regulations on them trying to make silly ideas like solar and wind feasible. Both have some merit, but only in certain locations and situations.

This is what i was talking to, Vicious, not your comment.

jeremy1375 · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

That has nothing to do with government regulation, it's just smart.

I don't even know what to say to that. That's the most anti-free market idea I've ever heard of. Do you really think american oil companies aren't going to stick it to you? Nevermind the problems that will occur by turning our backs on the world market. Look into the reasons that the U.S. dollar is the worlds reserve currency. Hint: All oil sold around the world is denominated in dollars.

As far as Obamacare goes, have you ever heard of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act which was signed into law by Ronald Reagan? It requires emergency rooms to treat a person regardless of their ability to pay. That law resulted in the $10 ibuprofen pill and other ridiculous costs to cover those who couldn't pay. People who couldn't afford preventive care ultimately received it the most expensive way, in the emergency room. Consider the fact that the Heritage Foundation, a conservation think tank, essentially came up with the main ideas of Obamacare.

**Goat Blower** · 02-09-2015

Joke as in those technologies are not anywhere near being ready to replace any existing technologies right now, like oil and nuclear. You can't just turn on most alternative energy sources when you need them, so then you need essentially large batteries or capacitors to store that unused energy, which is expensive. They don't have anywhere near the efficiency of existing solutions, and until they can compete in that respect, they remain largely a waste of time. The free market will always define the better solution.

I don't disagree that they have their place, and as technology increases, they might be worth something on the world market. But to try and say solar is the future? You do realize that we have cloud cover here in MN for about half the year, right? How well are those panels working here? Do they work in places like AZ or NV? Places that have sunlight 350 days a year? Absolutely, as long as you have the infrastructure to harness that energy and distribute it. Certain things make sense in certain areas.

Wind power has been around a long time and besides being ugly, has some merit. Have you ever driven through the windmill farms just east of Los Angeles? Ugly and more expensive, but that's Kalifornia for ya.

Hydro power. I wouldn't really consider it alternative energy, but it's renewable and constant, this might be my favorite of all, but limited in some ways by geographic placement.

**Goat Blower** · 02-09-2015

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Consider the fact that the Heritage Foundation, a conservation think tank, essentially came up with the main ideas of Obamacare.

You mean conservative? The two are a bit different, plus I doubt this very much. Got any facts to support this?

Any conservative ideas of helping the poor receive healthcare are buried in light years of regulation and cost over runs. This is just another method of taking a huge part of our economy and putting it in government hands.

jeremy1375 · 02-09-2015

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

You mean conservative? The two are a bit different, plus I doubt this very much. Got any facts to support this?

Any conservative ideas of helping the poor receive healthcare are buried in light years of regulation and cost over runs. This is just another method of taking a huge part of our economy and putting it in government hands.

Yes, I mean conservative. lol

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/