Project Black ValentNine AKA DSM9.0 - Page 3

**Murlo26** · 02-25-2014

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Originally Posted by cmspaz

This!

x2

I have been half tempted for the past 2 years to sell my x and do this. The only thing holding me back is with my luck I'd blow that up too and end up with another broken evo

All these peeps joining the 2 evo club! I want in

**cmspaz** · 02-25-2014

I keep seeing decent 03-04s popping up in the $12-14k range and it's tempting me to replace the DD already.

**Murlo26** · 02-25-2014

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Originally Posted by cmspaz

I keep seeing decent 03-04s popping up in the $12-14k range and it's tempting me to replace the DD already.

A boring DD is a good thing though. Then you aren't tempted to mod it

**goodhart** · 02-25-2014

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

A boring DD is a good thing though. Then you aren't tempted to mod it

this. project car + normal boring daily is the way to go.

**Murlo26** · 02-25-2014

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Originally Posted by goodhart

this. project car + normal boring daily is the way to go.

Yep, the biggest reason I haven't bought an evo 8/9 for daily...i would mod it and break it and it would not make a good daily.

Now two project cars...if you can afford it, do it!

Mark Leasure · 02-28-2014

I 100% disagree with what everyone is saying on a stockish dd. 500whp in an IX is perfectly reliable. If the motor is built, bolt on an ef3.

turbotalon1g · 02-28-2014

Agreed.
Cars are reliable as the person doing the work for the most part.
400whp should run all day everyday

**scheides** · 03-01-2014

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Originally Posted by Mark Leasure

I 100% disagree with what everyone is saying on a stockish dd. 500whp in an IX is perfectly reliable. If the motor is built, bolt on an ef3.

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

Agreed.
Cars are reliable as the person doing the work for the most part.
400whp should run all day everyday

Hellz yea! even with a stock motor, an ef3 is probably my turbo of choice, although if I found a good deal on a used BBK I probably wouldn't bat an eye at bolting it on...

**Murlo26** · 03-01-2014

Wish they had an MHI for the 8/9, so perfect for stock motors.

**scheides** · 03-01-2014

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Wish they had an MHI for the 8/9, so perfect for stock motors.

FP Green (old skool or new skool), BBK, ef2/2.5 are just that imho. I have always chose turbos based on how easily I can get them fixed if/when they blow up...My BBK I chose because CBRD used to have a 1-day turn on rebuilds (maybe they do again, idk)...FP was always horrible with several month wait times....but now we have such an epic resource locally with MAP--just bring it to them and with enough beer and some good timing I bet they would practically rebuild it while you wait.

Still though the turbos I mentioned above are fantastic...no need for BB, they are small enough that the lateral loads are low enough that the things will run forever and ever as long as you don't try and run 40psi on them. I ran my BBK at 33psi for idk, 30k miles? I don't remember...then sold it to mrfred and he's put another 30k on it pushing it just as hard.

Just keep oil in the thing and be contentious about warm-up/cool-down along with regular boost leak tests and no reason these won't last.

Still, I have BeaterX with an EF4 so maybe this car stays STS...time will tell I guess!

evotuner · 03-02-2014

400whp is reliable(ish) on a stock block but 400tq isnt.

...which it does depend on when that 400tq hits, sub 3800rpms its not as reliable as 4000+rpms

bramagedained · 03-03-2014

I ran around at 514whp/456wtq for a year and a half(~23k miles) with the stock motor/FP Red and it didn't explode.

That was even on my 'I read about it on the internet' tune.

With Diiirk's tune from AWD Motorsports it was 439/440 on the stock turbo with boltons and E85-on their dynojet at sea level.

I admit, I kind of secretly wish I would have just thrown some drop in pistons/rods in the block and left the car alone.

turbotalon1g · 03-03-2014

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Originally Posted by evotuner

400whp is reliable(ish) on a stock block but 400tq isnt.

...which it does depend on when that 400tq hits, sub 3800rpms its not as reliable as 4000+rpms

Says who?
Don't believe everything you read on the internet, plus nothing a set of rod bolts won't fix.

**Murlo26** · 03-03-2014

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

Says who?
Don't believe everything you read on the internet, plus nothing a set of rod bolts won't fix.

I didn't know rodbolts stop stock rods from bending/breaking

**scheides** · 03-03-2014

Why are we discussing how much the stock rods can or cannot take when I already said I'm putting aftermarket rods in this motor?!? You guys just want to kick dead horses eh? :P

The last thing I'll say is the whole '400wtq' thing is semi true, but as always when quoting dyno numbers, it depends on the dyno

I ran '400wtq' or '450wtq' on my evo8 w/ stock bottom-end for...whatever I said above, 25k miles or so, and '370wtq' or '400wtq' for like 20k miles before that....that is about the limit though, I was happy and things looked just peachy when I pulled it apart...even after rolling through the ditch

turbotalon1g · 03-03-2014

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

I didn't know rodbolts stop stock rods from bending/breaking

There is a lot you don't know, hence why you keep chasing some power level you can't handle and why your car consistently doesn't run.

Since you don't believe me ask ron, english racing or any of the other people that actually push stock motors rather than chasing the newest parts on the market.

**Murlo26** · 03-03-2014

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

There is a lot you don't know, hence why you keep chasing some power level you can't handle and why your car consistently doesn't run.

Since you don't believe me ask ron, english racing or any of the other people that actually push stock motors rather than chasing the newest parts on the market.

Correct, as always, I shall bow down to you!

I am sorry I ever questioned your ultimate knowledge.

turbotalon1g · 03-03-2014

Murlo you never fail to provide entertainment.

Back on OT, scheides are you still shopping for a stock motor or just whatever is around for the right price?

TkrPerformance · 03-03-2014

On page 2. Funny how far it goes off topic On a stock rods when it was all posted it is being built right now at RS. Just need to take the time to read first.

Original block will be line-bored and fully machined
I found an OEM 88mm crank locally
Molner H-beam rods (good stuff--google them!)
Wiseco HD pistons 9:1
Stock IX head w/ stock valves (cleaned, machined as necessary)
GSC 5039 valvesprings
Stock IX cams
Stock IX turbo

turbotalon1g · 03-03-2014

oh nice.
That is gonna be sweet, this mean the beater X can go T3 or T4!!