Terrorist...

[Onefast99gsx]

I could be wrong but I think Allah is the equivalence of us worshipping God/Jesus Christ. The key word was 'think' there. Anytime i've seen or heard of Osama speaking in those videos, he always referenced Allah and the Holy war.

It's no new news, many people and countries hate America and Americans for the freedom that we have and represent. And after there were no WMD found in Iraq our credibility was shot down the shitter and didn't help matters either. Many would agree and feel that Mr. Bush has other agendas for Iraq.

[Onefast99gsx]

PS- This topic should be deleted all together because all it does if stir everyone up and cause one big pissing match and hate.

[Enes]

It's no new news, many people and countries hate America and Americans for the freedom that we have and represent.

wrong,

people don't hate US for that, they hate it for the reasons they only go where they have interest to do so and put their fingers and nose in everything, mess up, and don't confess. Stir trouble and when something big happens, who was it, no one. who did it, someone, who is someone.. CIA, no they don't work for us.

[Onefast99gsx]

I'll surely agree there. We mess with way too many peoples/countries business. IMO- it should be every country worry about their own business period. We've lost almost 2,000 soldiers since the war started over an agenda we don't know what it is and where it's even going. Korea is going to be an interesting one if it happens. Iran is another one. Will we goto war to prevent war. Sounds like a line from the movie 'Paycheck'

[sleepy2lazy]

""""""I'll surely agree there. We mess with way too many peoples/countries business. IMO- it should be every country worry about their own business period. We've lost almost 2,000 soldiers since the war started over an agenda we don't know what it is and where it's even going. Korea is going to be an interesting one if it happens. Iran is another one. Will we goto war to prevent war. Sounds like a line from the movie 'Paycheck'""""

America over the years have dug a whole in every country that America has found to find some form of profit or entertainment. If not that, then it has been to *protect the innocent* or to *protect the country from communism*.
We all should know this starting from the lineup--> Germany, Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam.
America got involved with these countries, and basically left them screwed in the end.

America doesn't go to war just for the sake of preventing war. IMO America goes to war to also obtain something else then the sense of justice.

Losing almost 2000 US soldiers is incomparable to the amount lost in Iraq.
Then again, ending this war in the most peaceful way would be best without pullling out and leaving the country in turmoil.

[Enes]

btw,
whats going now in Iraq and whats going on with Alquaida is all america trying to finish what it started long time ago....aka 60's and 70's when it actually funded Alquaida and Sadam, and put them in power, supplied them with weapons, then left them defensless after they served their purpose!!!

Who organized Alquaida? USA...

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Originally Posted by Enes

Who organized Alquaida? USA...

Wrong, we supplied and trained the Mujahadeen(sp?) to fight the soviets.
The Mujahadeen warriors then defeated the soviet invaders who pulled out of afghanistan.

It was many years after that happened when Osama (who was trained by american special forces) organized Alqueda and put the Taliban in power.

They didn't attack us because we left them high and dry. They attacked us for stationing our military forces in thier holyland.





Regardless it is another sad day in history and my heart goes out to all those limey bastards who were affected by this attack.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

And after there were no WMD found in Iraq our credibility was shot down the shitter and didn't help matters either.

Actually they found small amounts of Sarin from Germany & Russia in Iraq, but you won't hear anything about that from the American media. Kinda makes you wonder how much and what was smuggled out before the invasion.

[Jakey]

All I'm going to say:

1) My comment above uses the word "these," not "the," in which I was specifically directing the comment towards the ******** whom have and continue to committ attacks like this.

2)If Kerry was our President, God only help us in terms of attacks like what happened in London today.

3)Unfortunately our immigration policies are a joke. People who want to come to America for legitimate reasons and would be of benefit to our country are denied entry far more than should ever happen on God's earth. Yet, the influx of illegals in America seems to go no where but up.

3)To contradict what most of us think, people around the world do support the war in Iraq. Unfortunately it is always the damn protestors who get all of the coverage and attention. I got back last Friday from spending 17 days out west on the wheat harvest for work. The crew I was working with had mostly South African(white) workers in which I got to know quite well. I got to know a couple of them especially well and both are strong supporters of the war in Iraq. They also said that a large number of South Africans support the war.

4)I support the war and believe it is something which needed to happen, whether there are WMDs or not, for the sake of National and World security. We have a President with balls whom is not afraid to stick up for the country whom he is in charge of protecting and preserving the freedom of all Americans.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Jakey

All I'm going to say:


2)If Kerry was our President, God only help us in terms of attacks like what happened in London today.

Why was it that you had to bring kerry into this... This only proves that you know absolutly nothing and that your a retarded ass bush supporter, trying to justify the presidency of a man to which i have more brain cells in my pinky then he has in his whole being.

[Speedfreak]

Considering we have at least a couple of Muslims on this board, including myself. The use of "**********" is a little concerning. There are many slang terms for many different types of people, but for some reason it is ok for you to sling that one around without conscience. And if your excuse is, well I am just talking about the terrorist ones. Well that could also be said about every other color/ethnic derogatory term as well.

[AJ]

**admin edit** this thread has been edited for some use of terms that as a community we just don't need to deal with. There is more shit to deal with and no need to sling these terms around.

THis thread hasn't got off course and is going to remain open for debate. But with anything that gets into aspects the the church and religious beliefs things can get heated. Have respect, keep shots off the site or this thread and possibly some accounts may go bye bye.

[Onefast99gsx]

There is trash in every race. I'm a white American. I won't be the first to say and certainly not the last, that there is a whole lot of trashy white people. To analyze some of this, when our own people commit nasty shit such as Timothy McVae "Oklahoma bombing in the mid 90's" we consider it acts of violence. To throw a number out, 75% of the people in America are caucasian white natural American. That number is probably more but certainly not less. When foreigners commit acts it's considered terrorism such as Al Queda, it's only natural as Americans to stereotype other groups of people considered foreigners. Yes, certainly there are wonderful people of all race but it's the nature of the beast. So our immediate actions are to shun those other groups. We know in our hearts that there is good and bad. It just takes a few bad seeds to ruin it for everyone else. I know very little about the Muslim community. For the members that are Muslim on here, what's your take on this? Why do you think that they say that Allah has commanded them do commit these terrorism acts? I guess you could relate it to religious cults such as David Corresh in Waco, TX back in the early 90's whom lit everyone on fire including himself. When shit happens here in the US, you never really hear someone say that Jesus Christ commanded them to do so. Maybe Marilyn Manson, but not Jesus.

Religion is an extremely touchy subject. I'd say that most everyone in this group is religious in some way and believe in God. There are many religions and practices. Some groups like to practice outside the Bible and have their own ways. I have several relatives that are Morman and they do some really weird things, at least things i consider out of the ordinary and senseless as a religious belief. I have a wonderful friend that's Jehovah and goes to the same church as Prince in the cities. Except to the Jehovahs, it's not a church, it's the Kingdom Hall. I won't even go there on their practices. In the beginning and in the end, there is and there shall be only ONE God.

[CDeutsch]

Originally Posted by sleepy2lazy

We all should know this starting from the lineup--> Germany, Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam.
America got involved with these countries, and basically left them screwed in the end.

I'm not the biggest America supporter but I do believe Germany and Japan are much better off now than the road they were headed down. Off hand I can't think of any other instance in history where a group of people were defeated and instead of taking everything they had, the country was rebuilt for them instead.

I'd love it if we stopped going into other countries, but it's just like the cops. Usually you hate it when they're around, but as soon as somebody breaks into your house you're like "where the hell are the cops?" Kind of like the whole G8 Africa thing. We hate America! (But we love your money)

[CDeutsch]

Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

When shit happens here in the US, you never really hear someone say that Jesus Christ commanded them to do so. Maybe Marilyn Manson, but not Jesus.

Probably because Christianity already went threw that stage. It's called the Crusades.

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Why was it that you had to bring kerry into this... This only proves that you know absolutly nothing and that your a retarded ass bush supporter, trying to justify the presidency of a man to which i have more brain cells in my pinky then he has in his whole being.

Tom, I thing YOU have more brain cells in your pinky than in your head!! We have went all through this before. You spout off stuff and provide no sources or anything. Yeah, we are supposed to believe it "cuz Tom said".

[scheides]

Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

If they'd put an end to immigration period-...

Maybe you're forgetting how this country was built in the first place, by immegrants. Perhaps cracking down on illegal aliens, yes, but closing the doors? Not very likely.

[QUOTE=Enes]I am a Muslim, i am not a terrorist, want to kill me?[/Enes]

Has anyone seen any episodes of that new TV show by Morgan Spurlock, the guy that did Super Size Me? There was an episode on recently where one of his friends from somewhere in the south with a real inclination for racism and stereotyping moves north for a month to live as a Muslim.

I haven't watched much TV lately, but this show is one of the most educational/eye opening shows I've seen in a while, save Big Brother 6 (!).

[Onefast99gsx]

No they obviously won't end immigration. That's why these bombings and mass killings will continue to occur. Who know's where the next one will be. Maybe, LA, Chicago or even Minneapolis. The fact is, that it will happen. Will we know when? Hell no. Again, we will be reactive to the situation.

[JET]

There is always a price to pay for freedom. Do we lock down all the borders and turn the US into a militarized state because we have had a couple of incidents? No. Look at the percentage of people that were truly affected by the 9/11 incident. It is a small percentage of the country. No I am not downplaying the bombing. It is all about the greater good to the group as a whole. The whole group will be happier by not going all crazy about something like this.

[xluciusx]

Personally, I would love to be the first to say this, people need to realize that their religious beliefs are a bit outdated. You know like 2000 or more years. I don't believe in god, I don't follow any religion and I think the world would be a better place if people would just move on and let the old religions die. Yes religion has in the past done some good for the world, but it has also been holding back science for thousands of years as well as giving crazy people "reasons" to kill other people.