TkrPerformance - Page 2

**Kracka** · 07-28-2010

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Originally Posted by daneatsv8s

And Kracka, as to the Best Buy example, I would either issue a refund or refuse it on the spot IF that were applicable to this situation. If I had a customer service counter somewhere that someone could plop a 7 bolt to be examined quickly, then I would. Bringing it to Primo to be inspected is the same thing as the Best Buy associate opening the box, looking at the camera, and deciding if it's broken or not. Simple as that. I'm not out for anyone's approval and I certainly don't need anyone to tell me if I'm right or not.

There is a big difference from something being 2 feet away and completely across town away. I also highly doubt that every Best Buy customer service counter employee is a trained camera technician. Go to Mark's house (or have him come to yours) and have him show you what's wrong with the engine so you can see it for yourself. If you feel you're not knowledgeable enough, bring someone along who is. OR, just forget the whole situation and simply say "No" to a refund and let Mark make a feedback thread about you so we hear his side of the story (online, I've already heard it in-person).

blageo23 · 07-28-2010

Just going to put my two cents in about swaping the motor. I had a perfectly running 7bolt motor in my car with only 80,000 on it. I had some extra money so I thought Id do the swap. I sold the motor and is probbly still running fine now (it was in swiftys ex gfs car white 1999 gsx). It a piece of mind thing. And if you are trying to make a great daily driver as he is doing then why not do all you can to keep it running for as long as you can.

daneatsv8s · 07-28-2010

Why are you suggesting that I go to Mark's house and see for myself? That is what I said to do in the first place, that is the ENTIRE point of this thread. I offered for my brother to come pick up the block to have it inspected by himself as well as a third party (Like I said in my emails, I AM OUT OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW). Mark could have just as easily responded to my email and told me that he would drop the motor off at my house or at Primo. You act as if I am afraid of truth coming out, that I'm really hesitant to look at the motor. I don't really know how I can stress more that you're trying to tell me to do something that I suggested in the first place, so I guess I can just repeat it again: You're telling me to do something that I suggested in the first place.

**Kracka** · 07-28-2010

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Originally Posted by daneatsv8s

You're telling me to do something that I suggested in the first place.

Wrong. You're attempting to remove it from Mark's possession. If you can't trust him, how is he to trust you? Either have it inspected by your brother, mom, aunt, uncle, cousin, etc. at his house, or ask him to bring it back to wherever he picked it up from for inspection there.

This whole thing reeks of shadiness to me. Removing a good running engine from a daily-driver and selling it for $200? In the end, I think Mark got exactly what he paid for.

jrohner · 07-28-2010

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Removing a good running engine from a daily-driver and selling it for $200? In the end, I think Mark got exactly what he paid for.

7-bolt DSM engines just aren't worth much. I bought a short block for I think 200 with a bunch of extra stuff, spent a couple hundred more having it rebuilt for peace of mind.

jrohner · 07-28-2010

Did he install it, have an issue, and then check it over, or did he look it over and find an issue before installing it? If he had it running, any number of things (mostly oil related) could have happened. Plus, crank walk is something that he could have easily checked 5 seconds BEFORE buying it.

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-if the 7-bolt was in good running condition, there is zero reason to put a 6-bolt in....sounds fishy.

To me, the bigger head bolts alone are reason enough to switch to a 6-bolt. Add in the (even more important) bigger, stronger rods and rod bolts, and there you go.

daneatsv8s · 07-28-2010

I sold the motor because it was taking up space in my garage. You are entitled to your opinion, so you and whoever else can say the situation is shady if you would like. And why wait for Mark to start his own thread? I would welcome him to reply in this thread and tell us of his experiences and his side of the story. Better yet, why doesn't Mark tell everyone how far stripped down the motor is? Or why he knows the bearings are shot? Pictures would be great too if that's not asking too much.

daneatsv8s · 07-28-2010

Since I am too shady to be trusted, why doesn't Mark call, text, email, or snail mail Scheides, schedule him a time for him to pick up the motor, have him drop it off at any reputable shop in the metro area, and have them take a look? Then if it is bad, then I will refund Mark his money like I intended to do in the first place. Or at this point would we still be worried that someone would take the 7 bolt and run away?

daneatsv8s · 07-28-2010

I wanted it inspected so I could determine if it's bad or not for the sake of refunding Mark his money, surely you can understand this?

**Kracka** · 07-28-2010

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Originally Posted by daneatsv8s

I wanted it inspected so I could determine if it's bad or not for the sake of refunding Mark his money, surely you can understand this?

Sure. How that is to be accomplished is between you and him.

blageo23 · 07-28-2010

Go back to the best buy thing... Would you expect best buy to come to your house because something you bought was defective. The fact he was willing to pick it up is beyond he call of duty.

**Kracka** · 07-28-2010

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Originally Posted by blageo23

Go back to the best buy thing... Would you expect best buy to come to your house because something you bought was defective. The fact he was willing to pick it up is beyond he call of duty.

I'm sure Mark would be more than willing to bring it back to wherever he bought it from if he would get a refund.

niterydr · 07-28-2010

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Originally Posted by Kracka

I'm sure Mark would be more than willing to bring it back to wherever he bought it from if he would get a refund.

Chris,

I think you are missing the point of the OP. He doesn't know Mark from Adam, you, me, or anyone on this forum. How is he to know if Mark is telling the truth?
The solution he offered is a viable one and in my opinion over the top.

Now Mark's concern is that he will be out the $200. Very understandable concern as well as he no longer trusts the OP, because of the faulty engine and in his opinion misrepresentation.

What should happen, to satisfy both parties, is for the OP to have $200 at the "shop" of choice ready to refund Mark. Mark should bring the engine to the shop (again, this is a used part, the OP could very well tell him "to bad so sad" and Mark would have no recourse at all). Once it is inspected, the winner and loser in the situation are determined. Essentially the shop would be playing judge on a civil court style manner.

**goodhart** · 07-28-2010

Not sure if this was mentioned or not, but the 6-bolt that took the place of the 7-bolt, and the reason this thread exists, was built long before this transaction started with intention of putting in this car.

It's not like the OP just decided, hey I don't need this motor, lets swap in a 6 bolt. It was planned for quite some time.

blageo23 · 07-28-2010

I assume that as well. But the fact that he is calling Dan a scammer because he doesn't like the terms of the return is pretty lame. It is up to the seller the terms of the return not the buyer (IMO)

Alpha D · 07-28-2010

Marks rep and experience talks for him as veterans on this site obviously know. I would let him expect my motor to determine if its junk or not and trust what he says. We all have seen the work he does. So if he calls an engine junk it most likely is.

daneatsv8s · 07-28-2010

Thank you. This is what I was trying to do to begin with, and it is nice to have someone actually understand the situation beyond "you are a scammer" or "this seems shady to me"

**Kracka** · 07-28-2010

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Originally Posted by daneatsv8s

Thank you. This is what I was trying to do to begin with, and it is nice to have someone actually understand the situation beyond "you are a scammer" or "this seems shady to me"

Is the agreed upon shop going to have the $200 cash in-hand ready to give back if the engine is found faulty as Swanny stated? If so, then that's a great solution!

daneatsv8s · 07-28-2010

Um, the scammer says yes.

blageo23 · 07-28-2010

And if you think about it like this:
Right now the motor is "junk" so he is out $200
If Dan took it and ran(which he wouldn't) he would be out $200
If Dan refuses refund he is out $200
Or if he took it somewhere he would be up $200(which is technically even)

And also if the money was paid via paypal why wouldnt something be happening there?