big bore kit for 420a - Page 2

Tauni · 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by rst95eclipse

How is it easier to work on a 4g63 compared to a 420a? My RS was much more friendly when wrenching on it. My advice to you would be to build the bottom end. There is no way that you'll be able to keep up with a GST with a 16g. Plus you can run something a bit bigger. Only rods and pistons with some clevite bearings and you're in bidness.

It was just easier for me. But like I said, I had friends who were CONSTANTLY showing me things about them. And I did WAY more work on my 4g63t then the 420A.

mdost03 · 11-19-2006

Well, my friend went on the dyno with his RS-T and made 210 hp and 214 lb tq at 6 psi at the wheels. That already makes the same as a stock GS-T's hp at the crank. So, if you think about, yes I can beat a slightly modded GS-T. I have done it before.

I plan on rebuilding my engine with some forged pistons and rods and then get a few fuel upgrades and I will be boosting around 15 psi, which should equal around 300 whp. The 420a is a more modern design compared to the 4G63. Sure, a stock GS-T is going to make more power right away, but it doesn't take much on an RS or GS to make it right up there with it.

AwdGSX13 · 11-20-2006

your gonna make more power out of a 4g63...because its already built for a turbo. 4g63 parts = dime a dozen. and BTW 4g63 is easy as hell to work on... oh and having a turbo'd eclipse/talon is better because over all the stock suspension ect. is better than an RS. You get more bang for the buck with TSI/GSX/GS-T

mdost03 · 11-20-2006

What is the difference in suspension between a GST and GS and RS? Only thing different is they have rear disc brakes on a GST. I already have my suspension upgraded anyways. All 4 cylinder engines are easy to work on, it's just what you are used to tinkering on. I find it easy to work on my 420a, but when my friend's bros GS-T was having problems, we could figure it out fairly easily. If you know what to look for in general, it's usually easy to figure out problems.

I guess it's just where you live for parts because down here I can find many parts easily for my car. The 420a was also used in the Sebring and Avenger cars and also some Neon parts are interchangeable.

I'm not here to start a war between 4G63 and 420a. I'm just here to help people out with what they want to do. IMO, a 420a is not a bad engine at all. I've had my car for over 2 years now and over 30,000 miles driven and there hasn't been ANYTHING (knock on wood) that has gone wrong engine wise with it. It has been my best car i've owned. Even after turbo'ing it, she still is kickin.

AwdGSX13 · 11-20-2006

im not hating on a 420a... im just saying the better route is to begin with an already turbo'd eclipse/talon... that way you can buy other things first other than going straight into a motor rebuild and having to buy a turbo kit... thats lots of $$$. i suppose if he already has the N/A car then maybe it is maybe it isnt. Personal choice.

blesi660r · 11-20-2006

man a 4g63 is an awsome motor i love gs-t's. but i have what i have and thats what i got to work with. and totaleclips_05 he pretty much out lined what i am doing, forged pistons and rods a total bullet prof re-build is what i am going for. i havent seen personaly a bult up 420a so that is what is sparking my flame for this project! and my GS has all four disc brakes i freekin love it! and if down the road i get board i will try and attempt a 1g to 2g swap! all of my plans are not going to happen at once! i am pretty much geting the basic out line of where i am going to start thas what this whole topic was supposed to be about.

thanks for all of the input KEEP it comein i like hering what people have to say about this topic!

DSMcrazy3 · 11-22-2006

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Originally Posted by tauni

But as they have ALL said so far, 4g63t is more bang for the buck simply because you can pay less and get more.

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Originally Posted by blesi660r

man a 4g63 is an awsome motor i love gs-t's. but i have what i have and thats what i got to work with.

I think he knows that... Yet it still keeps being reiterated..?

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Originally Posted by tauni

You're kind of rude.

I stated in my first post that, it was my first post and I didn't want to come off on the wrong foot. Guess you just mis interpreted.. That said, I'm not here to make friends necessarily..

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Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Oh yeah and don't get too mouth buddy, we don't know you.

Should I care? I don't know you so... I didn't say anything wrong anyways. NT... Turbo, they're both DSM's. The guy said you could put down 214 with $300 in a DSM... Just seemed silly to me

**JET** · 11-22-2006

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Originally Posted by DSMcrazy3

The guy said you could put down 214 with $300 in a DSM... Just seemed silly to me

Give me a stock Tsi and $300 and it will put down 214 whp on a dynojet easily. This is the bang for the buck that everyone is talking about.

People like what they have, it is human nature. That doesn't mean it is the best choice though. Sell the RS and get a GST/GSX!

mdost03 · 11-21-2006

Hey blesi660r, if you check out some of the threads on DSMTuners in the 420a section, a guy just recently made about 450 whp on the 420a with mostly tuning as the major modification. The 420a responds extremely well to boost surprisingly. He also ran a mid 11 I think using stock axles, no LSD, and slicks. He has videos and slips to prove it all. He also ran 16 psi on a stock engine from valve cover to oil pan for a whole year before he decided to build up the engine. So it pretty much comes down to how well your tuning is for your car. He is running a Hahn Portfueler for tuning and his name on tuners is awddynamite.

AwdGSX13 · 11-21-2006

GL on the build..

**JET** · 11-22-2006

People are just saying that the 4g63 is a better bang for the buck. You can make over 450whp on stock internals. Save the money for the rebuild and just upgrade to a Tsi, not to mention you could go AWD!

There is nothing wrong with the 420a, the 4g63 just has more possibilities. You could put down 214 whp with $300 in mods with a DSM.

DSMcrazy3 · 11-22-2006

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Originally Posted by JET

People are just saying that the 4g63 is a better bang for the buck. You can make over 450whp on stock internals. Save the money for the rebuild and just upgrade to a Tsi, not to mention you could go AWD!

There is nothing wrong with the 420a, the 4g63 just has more possibilities. You could put down 214 whp with $300 in mods with a DSM.

Show me a 4g63 putting down 450+ at the wheels with some proof it's running stock internals..

As for the second part... Re-read what you typed...

He already said he's working with what he's got. The 420a.

PS: Stick with the 420a

Tauni · 11-22-2006

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Originally Posted by DSMcrazy3

Show me a 4g63 putting down 450+ at the wheels with some proof it's running stock internals..

As for the second part... Re-read what you typed...

He already said he's working with what he's got. The 420a.

PS: Stick with the 420a

You're kind of rude.

If he wants to stick with the 420a, good for him! It would be a good project! But as they have ALL said so far, 4g63t is more bang for the buck simply because you can pay less and get more. Its like Target! Persoanlly, I don't think any of us would buuild a 420a, but hey to each their own! All I'm saying, you might as well be building a Neon! I should know.

TheBlizzard · 11-22-2006

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Originally Posted by DSMcrazy3

Show me a 4g63 putting down 450+ at the wheels with some proof it's running stock internals..

As for the second part... Re-read what you typed...

He already said he's working with what he's got. The 420a.

PS: Stick with the 420a

There have been numerous 4G63's that have put down 450+. Sell your car. Oh yeah and don't get too mouth buddy, we don't know you.

Super Bleeder!! · 11-22-2006

http://www.rizzottiracing.com/

stock 4g63 record, 585awhp, 10.5@133

Super Bleeder!! · 11-22-2006

also, a fellow on this very board by the name of Nash had his stock motor'd daily driver talon up to 550whp for years.

tim · 11-22-2006

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Originally Posted by Super Bleeder!!

also, a fellow on this very board by the name of Nash had his stock motor'd daily driver talon up to 550whp for years.

The maxed out stewart warner boost gauge at 40psi. I remember that avatar.

Definitely badass.

Carefull what you ask for kid. The 420a isnt a bad engine, it just cant handle what the 4g63 can. Stock for stock anyway.

rst95eclipse · 11-22-2006

She's right on the Neon build. And the 4g63's dominance. But you get more at Wal Mart.....everyone knows that Tauni.

BTW: I actually would build another 420a. It would be a gutted Neon for a daily driver. It'd be a cheap/fun car.

Nash · 11-22-2006

Yes, I made 531fwhp on a Dyno Jet with stock internals and drove the car for a couple years. I made numerous pulls of 40+psi on the dyno.

Matt D. · 11-22-2006

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Originally Posted by Nash

Yes, I made 531fwhp on a Dyno Jet with stock internals and drove the car for a couple years. I made numerous pulls of 40+psi on the dyno.

I witnessed these pulls, as did a small handful of other people also.