Hydrogen Generator for my daily car - Page 2

**Halon** · 05-07-2006

I still want to know how they got that delorean to run off peoples garbage!

Onefast99gsx · 05-08-2006

I don't know, talk to Dr. Emmett Brown

Gravy · 05-09-2006

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Originally Posted by JET

Alright, before you tell someone else to do research, you should do some yourself. There is no "water car" it is called a hydrogen powered car. The main by product is water. It does not burn water. Volvo was one of the innovators back when you were probably in diapers. You also do not fill the car up with water, you fill it up with hydrogen, which is stored in a fuel cell.

The problem is that it takes a lot of energy to create hydrogen and you end up with a costly fuel that is difficult to store. It would be great if they could figure out the bugs though. It is the energy system I would like to see succeed the most. Now go do some research and quit wasting our time with gimmicks.

I'm talking about a vehicle, and i've done research, i've seen it too

that runs off of water. Now, before you tell me it's a hydrogen car. How the hell would you get water to burn?

It's done by filling the gas tank, or custom build tank, with regular H20 and running it into a presureized metal, or PCV piping. When the correct voltage is run through a series of pipes inside the "Tube" it seperates the water(H20 into the seperate components. This "Gas" is then released from the presurized "Tube" into the intake, of the car, and is drawn in by the natural vacume of the car. Inside the engine, the gases are compresed, ignited, and dispeled the same as a normal engine would. Any guesses as to the byproduct of burning hydrogen and oxygen together? Yep, water.

So, you've now got a car that breathes in gas(Hydrogen and Oxygen) and breathes out unburnt Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Water. During the combustion some of the gases re-form into water, but most don't.

So when i say water car, you start with water in the tank, and end up with water(some) coming out your exauhst. The downfall, you rust out the stock system in a month or two if you don't take the right steps. I'm going to turn a boat motor into a water powered motor. Nothing like running out of gas on the lake, and just dumping some lake water into your tank. :-D

Any more skeptics?

Edit: Following Text

Ok, I have a feeling the last post would come back to haunt me, so here's my proof.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans.htm

Spirit of Maat is a weird, however VERY knowledgable site. Have a way to get an almost never-ending power suply from one 12 volt battery. I can't remember how it worked, but i'll be looking that up sometime, to see if i can use it in any way, shape, or form.

tim · 05-09-2006

Well of course I am skeptical

I am not going to say you are bsing us or dont know what you are talking about because I dont know enough about the subject. BUT, why hasnt this moved forward and why havent I heard more about this? There are ways to prevent rusting if that is the only problem.

**1ViciousGSX** · 05-09-2006

Stop arguing, put it on the car and tell us how you found it's not worth spending the money.

Gravy · 05-09-2006

I can't remember off hand, but either the U.S. gov has a patent on it, or a rich oil owner in the middle east has a pattent on it.

I belive it's the U.S. gov, and it's the same set up they would use in space, or on the moon, to convert water into oxygen and hydrogen for fuel. Even heard of the US gov working on using this to convert sea water into useable oxygen for prolonged underwater stays. Only problem is, they didn't have a use, or way, to disguard the hydrogen.

Needless to say, the models used in space would be MUCH safer and more reliable then our do it yourself builds. One downfall, if the system shorts out, or a spark jumps and contacts the Hydrogen. Say goodbye to your engine, your car, and most of the time, your garage. If, and when it goes off you've got anywhere from 40-100 PSI of compresed Hydrogen and Oxygen waiting to go off.

Onefast99gsx · 05-09-2006

Well i emailed the guy because I haven't received it yet. The ad say 2-3 day priority and it's been about 5. They emailed me back shortly again and said to be patient. They've been extremely his wife said. They said to wait a week yet. So basically what they don't tell you is that it's not build yet. I wrote back and said thanks for being honest. So I probably won't have any updates for about 1.5 weeks. Don't worry, it will yield results. I just don't know how much.

I'm not endorsing the product in any way. I just know that electrolysis works. Like i've said in at least 2 posts of mine above, i've done it. It does produce highly flammable H2.

CDeutsch · 05-10-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravy

I'm talking about a vehicle, and i've done research, i've seen it too

that runs off of water. Now, before you tell me it's a hydrogen car. How the hell would you get water to burn?

It's done by filling the gas tank, or custom build tank, with regular H20 and running it into a presureized metal, or PCV piping. When the correct voltage is run through a series of pipes inside the "Tube" it seperates the water(H20 into the seperate components. This "Gas" is then released from the presurized "Tube" into the intake, of the car, and is drawn in by the natural vacume of the car. Inside the engine, the gases are compresed, ignited, and dispeled the same as a normal engine would. Any guesses as to the byproduct of burning hydrogen and oxygen together? Yep, water.

So, you've now got a car that breathes in gas(Hydrogen and Oxygen) and breathes out unburnt Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Water. During the combustion some of the gases re-form into water, but most don't.

So when i say water car, you start with water in the tank, and end up with water(some) coming out your exauhst. The downfall, you rust out the stock system in a month or two if you don't take the right steps. I'm going to turn a boat motor into a water powered motor. Nothing like running out of gas on the lake, and just dumping some lake water into your tank. :-D

Any more skeptics?

Edit: Following Text

Ok, I have a feeling the last post would come back to haunt me, so here's my proof.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans.htm

Spirit of Maat is a weird, however VERY knowledgable site. Have a way to get an almost never-ending power suply from one 12 volt battery. I can't remember how it worked, but i'll be looking that up sometime, to see if i can use it in any way, shape, or form.

And the pressure and electricity needed for this process come from where exactly?

Here's a nice reality check for you hydrogen power people:
http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/...ck-bedard.html

The opening line of the article pretty much sums up the article:

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Funny thing about hydrogen cars: If we were all driving them now, the President's FreedomCAR initiative would be anteing up its $1.8 billion to invent the gasoline engine.

**JET** · 05-10-2006

I am still a skeptic too. That link you provided has absolutely no proof or even scientific data of any sort. He even said he was fooled by a car that was running on partially gas. I want to see some real proof.

**1ViciousGSX** · 05-10-2006

Myth Busted

ABV · 05-10-2006

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Myth Busted

LOL, were you just watching Myth Busters too?

Gravy · 05-11-2006

Ok then, how about this. If everyone thinks it's impossible, explain why?

I'm not saying, "This site says it can't be done". Because i've seen a working model, infact when i get around to this i'll post on here and invite everyone over for a beer.

I've seen a working car, and as soon as i get money i'll be equiping a motor to run on the same system.

**1ViciousGSX** · 05-11-2006

It' not an issue of "Can the kit produce hydrogen?", yes it can. It's the question of "Can the kit produce enough hydrogen in quantity to make a difference?". The answer is no.

Black97civic · 05-12-2006

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

It' not an issue of "Can the kit produce hydrogen?", yes it can. It's the question of "Can the kit produce enough hydrogen in quantity to make a difference?". The answer is no.

And, what amount of power went into seperating the hydrogen, and how was that power made.

Obviously I am talking about other cases besides your car, but the fact remains, there is no such thing as free power, unless you are doing this whole hydrogen seperation thing from a solar or wind powered machine.

**JET** · 05-13-2006

That is exactly right. That little 1 qt container has enough hydrogen in it to drive your car a couple of miles, max. There is enough power in there to be equivalent to 2 pints of gas and that doesn't include the power necessary to split the water molecules!

Take some chemistry courses and it will become much more clear. Hydrogen and oxygen like to be together, it takes a fair amount of energy to split them apart. Water is very stable, so it takes a lot of energy. Things that aren't so stable (gasoline for example) split apart easily.

The amount of energy in an equal amount of hydrogen and gas are also very different. Hydrogen atoms are also MUCH smaller than oxygen atoms, so the amount of hydrogen you can get out of water is pretty small compared to the amount of water going in.

I am guessing the "water car" has quite a few batteries in it to provide the energy to make the hydrogen and also could not make as much electricity as it uses. I bet the car would get far just from the electrical power it uses than it could making hydrogen.

Hydrogen can currently be made pretty easily, it just takes too much energy to produce it.

**1ViciousGSX** · 05-13-2006

http://www.dsmstyle.com/forums/showt...534#post138534

Onefast99gsx · 05-19-2006

I got the tracking number for my H2 generator. I should have it by early-mid next week.

Check this out non believers.

http://www.drturi.com/images/FoxNews_-_WaterFuel.wmv

CVD · 05-19-2006

The more I learn about this topic the more I am convinced that the hydrogen generator does nothing. You need electricity to split the molecules apart, the most energy you can get out of burning them and putting them back together is the amount you used in the first place. And that is if everything is 100% efficient.

For the car in the video, I am betting that he is not making the hydrogen in the car as he drives, he probably runs a machine at his home that is plugged into his wall. There's just no such thing as free energy.

BOVADDICT · 05-19-2006

most dsms are fueled by nothing but hopes and dreams anyway so wy bother with gas in the first lace. 95% of your cars dont even drive and arent your daily drivers..

Anyway just want to make some shout outs for my tornado fuel saver, clamp on fuel line molecule splitter, and my octane booster.. Those 3 things made total increase of about 50 whp, quicker excelleration, and mde my tt viper get about 45 miles to the gallon pretty tight huh?

Water powered cars would have no go at all.. If anyone watches the red green show they did do a van that was run on my water by spinning a lunch bench and it floated by duct taping a grip of plastic bottles to crates unter neath it.. so I guess a water car could work...

you guys are lame

BOVADDICT · 05-19-2006