Jordanian pilot burned alive by terrorist

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

You missed the point of my post. I'm not talking about selling it on the open market. I'm talking about producing it for our own use exclusively. Just like Japan refuses to export/sell their rice on the open market.

I didn't miss the point. You talk about government over regulation being a bad thing. Yet, you are suggesting a government regulation that is so monumental, it dwarfs anything to date. I assumed you didn't understand how things worked because you want things both ways.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

I didn't miss the point. You talk about government over regulation being a bad thing. Yet, you are suggesting a government regulation that is so monumental, it dwarfs anything to date. I assumed you didn't understand how things worked because you want things both ways.

That has nothing to do with government regulation, it's just smart. We have access to more oil here than we could ever use in the long term, so why keep playing the open market "shell" game? Because too much money is tied to it at a higher market value, that's why.

Nothing will ever dwarf Obamacare and socialized medicine, they own you now.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

That has nothing to do with government regulation, it's just smart.

I don't even know what to say to that. That's the most anti-free market idea I've ever heard of. Do you really think american oil companies aren't going to stick it to you? Nevermind the problems that will occur by turning our backs on the world market. Look into the reasons that the U.S. dollar is the worlds reserve currency. Hint: All oil sold around the world is denominated in dollars.

As far as Obamacare goes, have you ever heard of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act which was signed into law by Ronald Reagan? It requires emergency rooms to treat a person regardless of their ability to pay. That law resulted in the $10 ibuprofen pill and other ridiculous costs to cover those who couldn't pay. People who couldn't afford preventive care ultimately received it the most expensive way, in the emergency room. Consider the fact that the Heritage Foundation, a conservation think tank, essentially came up with the main ideas of Obamacare.

[Goat Blower]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Consider the fact that the Heritage Foundation, a conservation think tank, essentially came up with the main ideas of Obamacare.

You mean conservative? The two are a bit different, plus I doubt this very much. Got any facts to support this?

Any conservative ideas of helping the poor receive healthcare are buried in light years of regulation and cost over runs. This is just another method of taking a huge part of our economy and putting it in government hands.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

You mean conservative? The two are a bit different, plus I doubt this very much. Got any facts to support this?

Any conservative ideas of helping the poor receive healthcare are buried in light years of regulation and cost over runs. This is just another method of taking a huge part of our economy and putting it in government hands.

Yes, I mean conservative. lol

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Any conservative ideas of helping the poor receive healthcare are buried in light years of regulation and cost over runs. This is just another method of taking a huge part of our economy and putting it in government hands.

What was this then? Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergen...tive_Labor_Act

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

I don't even know what to say to that. That's the most anti-free market idea I've ever heard of. Do you really think american oil companies aren't going to stick it to you? Nevermind the problems that will occur by turning our backs on the world market. Look into the reasons that the U.S. dollar is the worlds reserve currency. Hint: All oil sold around the world is denominated in dollars.

Free markets? Just like the way China sticks it to us with manufacturing every day? Because we sold out our labor forces here in the USA by opening free trade that only seems to go one way. Remember those bumper stickers that used to say, "Buy American, the job it saves could be yours"?

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

As far as Obamacare goes, have you ever heard of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act which was signed into law by Ronald Reagan? It requires emergency rooms to treat a person regardless of their ability to pay. That law resulted in the $10 ibuprofen pill and other ridiculous costs to cover those who couldn't pay. People who couldn't afford preventive care ultimately received it the most expensive way, in the emergency room. Consider the fact that the Heritage Foundation, a conservation think tank, essentially came up with the main ideas of Obamacare.

Yes, I've heard about it just as everybody else has. But was it really a broken system? Please explain how Obamacare is going to fix it, AND SAVE MONEY ACROSS THE BOARD.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Free markets? Just like the way China sticks it to us with manufacturing every day? Because we sold out our labor forces here in the USA by opening free trade that only seems to go one way. Remember those bumper stickers that used to say, "Buy American, the job it saves could be yours"?

So you only quote Milton Friedman when it suits your point?

“The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate one another to deal with one another and help one another.”
― Milton Friedman

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Yes, I've heard about it just as everybody else has. But was it really a broken system? Please explain how Obamacare is going to fix it, AND SAVE MONEY ACROSS THE BOARD.

How does Thomas Sowell explain that even though all other first world countries have some type of government regulated universal health care system, our health care is the most expensive in the world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita

For the price we're paying maybe were just getting the best health care in the world, right? The World Health Organization says we are number 37.

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

So you only quote Milton Friedman when it suits your point?

“The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate one another to deal with one another and help one another.”
― Milton Friedman

Sure, I post what is relevant to my point, just as you or anybody else does.

Unfortunately that is not how a "free market system" is working for the great USoA. NAFTA made sure of that.
http://content.sierraclub.org/press-...rade-agreement

http://economyincrisis.org/nafta

And lets not forget that China has such a huge one-way street on China/US imports and exports, all the while big brother is picking winners and loosers.

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

How does Thomas Sowell explain that even though all other first world countries have some type of government regulated universal health care system, our health care is the most expensive in the world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita

And yet people come here to get treatments they can't get anywhere else, or have to wait years to get because of universal healthcare, which in many cases is too late,...

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

For the price we're paying maybe were just getting the best health care in the world, right? The World Health Organization says we are number 37.

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian...ealth-systems/

In that "free market system" there would be competition which always drives cost down and quality up. But now that Obamacare is in place, none of that matters anymore.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Sure, I post what is relevant to my point, just as you or anybody else does.

Unfortunately that is not how a "free market system" is working for the great USoA. NAFTA made sure of that.
http://content.sierraclub.org/press-...rade-agreement

http://economyincrisis.org/nafta

If a person quotes someone, it is generally assumed they are showing agreement with that persons general position. If I used a quote from Hitler to prove a point because I agreed with that point, wouldn't the fact that I did that imply some respect for Hitlers ideals even if the quote had nothing to do with the monstrous things he did?

Anyhow, quotes express an opinion, not fact. Studies are done to find the facts.

The first link explains how NAFTA caused a bunch of carbon to be released into the atmosphere. So you believe in climate change?

The second link is propaganda.

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

And lets not forget that China has such a huge one-way street on China/US imports and exports, all the while big brother is picking winners and loosers.

So being able to buy stuff super cheap is a huge burden on our country? I keep hearing about the sky falling with China and it never does. It's a communist country. Maybe we can stop trade and start a cold war with China - because the one with the USSR was so great. Meanwhile I get to buy a $50 oscilloscope to troubleshoot my dsm.

And big brother picking winners and losers? It was Bush who began bailing out banks after the crash. Obama continued the path of keynesian economics. Bush started it Obama got blamed and it didn't even fail.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26987291/n.../#.VN03LVPF9kB

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

And yet people come here to get treatments they can't get anywhere else, or have to wait years to get because of universal healthcare, which in many cases is too late,...



In that "free market system" there would be competition which always drives cost down and quality up. But now that Obamacare is in place, none of that matters anymore.

The cost was the highest in the world before Obamacare and rising faster than inflation. Other countries make it work.

The data in this story doesn't support your claim about long wait times. What data do you have about the rest of your claim?

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...doctor/281614/

If your points are as patently true as you seem to believe they are, there should be facts to show it, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us...-coverage.html