Kyle's AWD Spyder Project - Big Money

[turbotalon1g]

Nice work.
What is your setup?

[bigboostingst]

Originally Posted by C3L1CA

Nice progress!

Maybe I missed it but what turbo did you end up getting and have any power goals in mind? Should be a sweet build once you're done with it!

I'm probably one of the only people ever to do this, but I resisted temptation and broke in my 2.3 stroker with the t25 using the MotoMan procedure!
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Depressing, I know... I do have a 20g from an old project which I planned on bolting on but plans have since changed and I am considering purchasing an fp green xl. I am looking to make a fun ~500hp weekend car. I am very open to suggestions if anybody has any!

[turbotalon1g]

That sounds badass, the only suggestion I would say to do is pick the smallest turbo for your goal, it will help keep the powerband broad, be responsive and most likely the most fun.

[DSMINMN]

This looks like a fun project! Black AWD swapped Spyders are tits.

[bigboostingst]

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

That sounds badass, the only suggestion I would say to do is pick the smallest turbo for your goal, it will help keep the powerband broad, be responsive and most likely the most fun.

Thanks for the suggestion, that's one of the main reasons I chose this turbo. It'll put me right at the 500 level (on a good day). However, a nice Holset setup is looking more and more appealing every day...

Originally Posted by DSMINMN

This looks like a fun project! Black AWD swapped Spyders are tits.

My thoughts exactly!

[sleepydsm]

Really think a 20G will get you to that 500 level?

You should have just bought Blageo23's black AWD spyder!! :P

[goodhart]

Should get him there on a dynojet

[bigboostingst]

Originally Posted by sleepydsm

Really think a 20G will get you to that 500 level

Sorry I should have been more specific, I meant my plans have changed and I now want this to be a higher hp car than when I started. I was never expecting anywhere near 500 from the 20g, although like goodhart said it might be possible on a dynoguess. It would almost be a shame not to push 500hp out of the car now that it has the 2.3.

Originally Posted by sleepydsm

You should have just bought Blageo23's black AWD spyder!! :P

Haha, or maybe Kerry's old black AWD spyder, but where is the fun in that!

[95talonracer]

Haa the fun is in driving it and not building it. Jk, are you wanting to keep it a bolt on mitsu flange or t3 maybe?

[Halon]

I can't remember exactly, but maybe 6-7 years ago at LSE I made low 300's on my 50 trim bolt-on setup. Maybe 330 or so, something like 23psi. Horseshit tune on e85 with those regrind DKS 272's. So what's that maybe 375 dynojet? I'd imagine 500 on a 20g would be a bit of a challenge.

[turbotalon1g]

I agree. a 5858 variant would be perfect on that car and capable of 600whp even, you would have to talk to MAP or whoever to see about something that tops out at 550whp.

They do sell a 3431E turbo thats rated to 550 even then I'm sure it would do more.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by Halon

I can't remember exactly, but maybe 6-7 years ago at LSE I made low 300's on my 50 trim bolt-on setup. Maybe 330 or so, something like 23psi. Horseshit tune on e85 with those regrind DKS 272's. So what's that maybe 375 dynojet? I'd imagine 500 on a 20g would be a bit of a challenge.

You also have to remember that was 6-7 years ago. 16g's on e85 are making 420-430's now a days at MAP. I think Tachyon was making like 450/490 in October at MAP at I think on only 18 or 20 psi on his setup? I would think a car with a 7 or 8cm housing made to not make peak tq at 900 rpm like Paul's could probably get pretty close at MAP. Especially if it was billet.

[Halon]

20g and billet used together does not compute for me.

[19TsiAwd90]

^then you need to do some reading turbo lab makes great billet 20g's you can even get extended tip billet 20g wheel
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
this guys running a turbo lab 50trim(same as a fp green) these are great numbers for low boost, hes also fwd i know that makes a diffrence but no that much.

*Edit* let the flaming and hating begin i can vouch for the turbos i have been running once for almost a year with no issues..

[Tachyon]

Originally Posted by goodhart

You also have to remember that was 6-7 years ago. 16g's on e85 are making 420-430's now a days at MAP. I think Tachyon was making like 450/490 in October at MAP at I think on only 18 or 20 psi on his setup? I would think a car with a 7 or 8cm housing made to not make peak tq at 900 rpm like Paul's could probably get pretty close at MAP. Especially if it was billet.

Actually it was ~25 psi, but it really only made more TQ after about 20 as small turbo is small.

[Goat Blower]

My 20G back in the day topped out at 395 FWHP on Elite's Dynojet at 24 psi and race gas. With today's better ECU control and E85, I would think you could probably get ~430 whp out of a regular old 20G.

[bigboostingst]

I'm still breaking the motor in, I have almost 100 miles on it now (haven't had much time due to furnace issues I've been dealing with + a week in Vegas) but no major issues have popped up yet. I did have some lifter tick so I installed some 3g lifters:

[bigboostingst]

Well the lifters didn't fix the tick/faint knock I was experiencing so I decided to pull my rod bearings and check them out in case a bigger problem was developing. They looked fine, so I'm still investigating.

[bigboostingst]

The headlights were in kinda rough shape:


They probably could have been wet sanded and buffed but I decided it would be easier to just replace them:


Since my front bumper was off I installed my vrsf intercooler/piping/greddy bov/dejon 3" intake pipe:

[bigboostingst]

At this point it was time to cut the bumper (one of my least favorite jobs on these cars):


Things seem to be coming along great.


I am using my old tactrix 2.0 cable to tune the car (ecuflash/ceddymods/evoscan):