Obamacare, Opinions?

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

The problem with most of these studies is that they have an agenda no matter who is doing them. The welfare and food stamp systems are quite flawed as well. I see people getting steaks and frozen pizza's with food stamps. Give these people the basics to survive! Flour, bread, cheese, milk, hamburger, etc. If you want to get fancy or lazy, then it is on you. This is just common sense stuff that is blatantly obvious.

As far as welfare, there are generations of people out there that are perfectly content on welfare and have no intentions of getting a job. Some try to get pregnant and have more kids just so they get more welfare then don't spend squat on the kids. It is a horrible system right now with no motivation to get out of the system.

In a company you have the motivation to make your company as profitable as possible, this gives them more money to spend on you! There is none of that when working with the government as you know you will never see any of it. There is also the opposite effect, if you don't spend every penny in your budget you know they will lower your budget for next year. This leads to people buying crap they don't need just so their budget isn't lower next year. It just makes me depressed thinking about how much money is wasted and how much better the country would be if that money was used properly!

My wifes mother was on food stamps at one point, and it wasnt anything like you are describing, she felt embarrassed and was fortunate enough to get back on her feet. She was very health conscious and the food items that were available to her at the time were not steaks and high end healthy foods, she made the choice to try and get the best foods she could to keep her children healthy. (you arent suggesting that the government step in and tell people what to eat, and what to buy, are you? because that would not be very conservative) Regardless, the people you speak of, being the lazy stereotypical welfare/food stamp recipient, is not typical of the people on these programs. to actually believe that someone strives to be on welfare/food stamps is ridiculous, and few and far between. There is no reason to cut off the head to spite the face. These programs do much more good to families that have not been fortunate enough to gain a high paying or are struggling to make ends meet and keep their family alive. They dont sit in lavish condos while receiving these benefits. All they want to do is feed their family. This government is not china, where we arent going to tell you how many children you can and cannot have. (that would be considered communism, and big govt).

To the last paragraph, government waste is definitely an issue here, i will totally agree with you there. But the programs to cut are not those that help our struggling Americans here. Cut War spending, Cut spending on the $400 toilet seats etc. But Healthcare, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Food Stamps, School lunch programs, are all domestic funding where the money stays here and is not for things that blow up. Every time i see a missile launch and go boom, i dont see fire... i see dollar bills floating into the air.

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

(you arent suggesting that the government step in and tell people what to eat, and what to buy, are you? because that would not be very conservative)


Every time i see a missile launch and go boom, i dont see fire... i see dollar bills floating into the air.

I don't care if it is conservative or not, you have assumed I am republican, but I am not. I am an independent. I do lean towards the conservative side on many fiscal aspects, but not all and definitely am not conservative on religion/abortion issues.

There are people that use the food stamp program correctly and how it was meant to be used. I have absolutely no issue with that and applaud her for that. You drastically underestimate how much it is actually abused though. I got offered EBT cards all the time at 50 cents to the dollar when I worked at Target. The system is broken, but it would probably cost more to police it than it would be to just let it go.

And yes I do think that food stamps should be limited more to what people can buy. Have a decent variety, but make it the basic stuff where you cook from scratch, not premade and high end stuff. Back when we were tight on money the people on food stamps were eating better than we were.

The military keeps the money in the U.S. too Tom. Those bombs are produced by US companies, as are the planes and basically everything else. I would rather not see them spend money period, whether or not it stays in the US. Don't get me started on all the damn aid we send to other countries. That is just freaking ridiculous!!

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

I don't care if it is conservative or not, you have assumed I am republican, but I am not. I am an independent. I do lean towards the conservative side on many fiscal aspects, but not all and definitely am not conservative on religion/abortion issues.

There are people that use the food stamp program correctly and how it was meant to be used. I have absolutely no issue with that and applaud her for that. You drastically underestimate how much it is actually abused though. I got offered EBT cards all the time at 50 cents to the dollar when I worked at Target. The system is broken, but it would probably cost more to police it than it would be to just let it go.

And yes I do think that food stamps should be limited more to what people can buy. Have a decent variety, but make it the basic stuff where you cook from scratch, not premade and high end stuff. Back when we were tight on money the people on food stamps were eating better than we were.

The military keeps the money in the U.S. too Tom. Those bombs are produced by US companies, as are the planes and basically everything else. I would rather not see them spend money period, whether or not it stays in the US. Don't get me started on all the damn aid we send to other countries. That is just freaking ridiculous!!

I haven't assumed anything. I said it wasnt conservative, apparently no one is a republican anymore, though. But to that, in the last election name a democrat you voted for?
Food stamps cannot be regulated to what people can buy as it will favor some brands and not others. The only way around this would be to create a government owned brand/store, that these people could only buy from. And honestly, if it wouldnt be called socialism by the right, would be a great idea. That way the gov could get bulk pricing on a number of products at low cost, they could also ensure that the money is used towards healthy eating habits, and people could not abuse the system as much. But like i said, this would be called socialism. (as if thats a bad thing)

yes i know the bombs are produced in the US, but we are mass producing million dollar fireworks, that their only purpose is to topple regimes, kill innocents, and kill baddies, in countries we have no business in. We should be investing that money in something that will better society as a whole. but we want to police the world. (again need to create another thread on this as this is off topic).