Proving Grounds 2012

**Halon** · 12-24-2011

My personal opinion. Stock appearing should be just that, stock appearing! Yes it's true Evo's will have an advantage when it comes to turbo size. Oh well, it is what it is. Pick your platform and deal with the pro's/con's of what you chose. I have a feeling even with the handicap of having to run smaller turbos, there will be some DSM's going pretty far. Last year Tachyon took 2nd in his 1G.

The only exceptions I can think of is 2G's being allowed to run TD05 size turbos. That's been the norm for quite some time so I think that should still apply. Also for exhaust manifolds. If you can pass it off as looking fairly stock, then you're good. Example would be an FP Cast manifold, with a heatshield applied in such a way that it really doesn't stick out, well then you're good. If you have a tubular manifold, well that's obviously not stock and usually sticks out, so unless you find a way to really hide that thing and make it not stand out, then that wouldn't fly if it were up to me. FMIC's on DSM's, my initial reaction is they sure didn't have them stock. So unless you found a clever way to really make it look like you don't have one, I don't see how that could pass as stock appearing. Did Tachyon have an FMIC when he took 2nd last year?

I also agree with Aaron and Carl. There shouldn't be such a large gap with the other classes. If someone is running a 50trim DSM, he can't run in stock appearing, so he's going to enter the 62mm and below group and not stand a chance. Make the stock appearing class an actual competitive class that truly is STOCK APPEARING. Then setup a couple other classes based on inducer size (<56mm, <62mm, <67mm)

carltalon · 12-24-2011

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Originally Posted by Halon

My personal opinion. Stock appearing should be just that, stock appearing! Yes it's true Evo's will have an advantage when it comes to turbo size. Oh well, it is what it is. Pick your platform and deal with the pro's/con's of what you chose. I have a feeling even with the handicap of having to run smaller turbos, there will be some DSM's going pretty far. Last year Tachyon took 2nd in his 1G.

The only exceptions I can think of is 2G's being allowed to run TD05 size turbos. That's been the norm for quite some time so I think that should still apply. Also for exhaust manifolds. If you can pass it off as looking fairly stock, then you're good. Example would be an FP Cast manifold, with a heatshield applied in such a way that it really doesn't stick out, well then you're good. If you have a tubular manifold, well that's obviously not stock and usually sticks out, so unless you find a way to really hide that thing and make it not stand out, then that wouldn't fly if it were up to me. FMIC's on DSM's, my initial reaction is they sure didn't have them stock. So unless you found a clever way to really make it look like you don't have one, I don't see how that could pass as stock appearing. Did Tachyon have an FMIC when he took 2nd last year?

I also agree with Aaron and Carl. There shouldn't be such a large gap with the other classes. If someone is running a 50trim DSM, he can't run in stock appearing, so he's going to enter the 62mm and below group and not stand a chance. Make the stock appearing class an actual competitive class that truly is STOCK APPEARING. Then setup a couple other classes based on inducer size (<56mm, <62mm, <67mm)

I agree with everything Brandon said here. I think the real thing that is cool about a stock apearing class is to see how far people can push a car on close to stock components. If we alow tubular manifolds and SMIMs then what is really stock about the car. I personaly am going to set my car up the way I want and will run it in whatever class it fits into (which shold be stock apearing ). There will always be someone with better driveing ability, a bigger wallet or more time to put into there car that is going to beat me. So I just want to go and have a good time.

bramagedained · 12-24-2011

So I can't just wrap my tubular manifold in foil and call it a stock appearing manifold?