Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

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Oil is used in more products then just fuel. And is far less efficient than other sources. Hydrogen cars take water, turn it to fuel, then back into water, but doesnt fuck up the environment like oil does. Hell if they would have made the refining of ethanol more efficient, that would make for a better fuel than oil, and can be actually grown, burns cleaner and can be in abundance.
As soon as technology catches up, sun will be a great source of energy and will NEVER go out.
The key to the Kyoto Protocol and other treaties trying to make their way to light, is to make it so we can develop a cleaner way of producing energy that will not fuck up our environment for our children and childrens children.
Southern California is a shithole because of pollution, I was flying in coming back from MN a couple times ago, and when we were making our decent i looked out the window, too my amazment it looked like we were going to land in dirt.... what was this dirt? It wasnt dirt at all, its that we were decending through a brown fog called SMOG. It was sickening. And if we can do anything to eliminate this or cut down on this, the world would be safer and cleaner. You dont think diseases are sprouting up because the air we breath is all fucked up? Open your eyes, Cancer is on the rise and has been for a while now, something like 1 in 4 people will die of cancer. (need reference)

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Southern California is a shithole because of pollution, I was flying in coming back from MN a couple times ago, and when we were making our decent i looked out the window, too my amazment it looked like we were going to land in dirt.... what was this dirt? It wasnt dirt at all, its that we were decending through a brown fog called SMOG. It was sickening. And if we can do anything to eliminate this or cut down on this, the world would be safer and cleaner.

Have you been to LA before the year 2000? I have been going out there twice a year since since 1982 to visit family and lived in San Dimas for about a year back in 1991 and I can tell you it has gotten alot better since then. And over that whole time we have been using petrolium based fuels. Modern technoligy with computerized fuel injection and modern emissions controls has killed smog damn near dead in its tracks.

90% of the smog you see in LA is still there from the 60's and 70's when we were burning leaded gas and very poor diesel fuels compared to today and we had basically no emmissions equipment. (much like some DSMrs I know lol)

Hydrogen cars run off fresh water and that is a problem to me. I would rather worry about running out of crude than running out of drinking water. Eathonal is a great alternative once we can get the process streamlined but it still pollutes almost as much as petrolium based fuels.