Attempt to make things right

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I hate fucking drama… That is the main reason I don’t post here anymore. I admit I made a pretty shitty name for myself and MY business which I take blame for, no questions asked. After talking with Kracka I honestly feel that this cant get much worse that it already is, even if it does so be it. No way to find out without posting.

This “attempt to make things right” is not entirely true. Making lies to cover lies is not how I want this to turn out. I am serious about trying to fix things. I really wanted this loan to go through for that reason alone. I was ready to put everything I had on the line just to fix this shit that should have been done from the beginning even if it means “giving up” my business ownership for a few years. Although still being an equal partner just not on paper.

I’m not here to hide anything. Scheides, Kracka, Mark, and Kevin, I wish I would have been at the shop when you were there. It would have actually been nice to meet you and talk in person instead of talking over a forum. I didn’t make it there until 2:30. Sorry guys. Brian has my number, should have gotten that from him with the shop info.

Originally Posted by nchittendon

I'm not here to start any more problems because I can clearly see that Jake has started plenty. I also see that he has fessed up to most of them and apologized as well. I personally, just found out about all this sh!t goin down and I have taken ownership of Vogel Performance since the 1st of January. Am I bit pissed off.....uh, yeah. Am I thinking about pulling the plug all together on the whole project.....fuckin right. I too was lied to and kept in the dark.

Actually, you have not taken ownership of anything yet… I didn’t feel the need to bring my past into this because it is my past. This was me starting over. It was basically helping you out and you helping me like we talked about.

Originally Posted by nchittendon

Basically, the money that was collected was used to keep the rent paid and what-not until the SBA loan came through. I had NO idea where the money came from that was paying the rent. I was told that it was obtained legitimately.

Actually it wasn’t used for shop rent until the loan came through. I paid that out of my pocket from working and part from selling my car. I wouldn’t have sold my car if I didn’t need some extra money.

Originally Posted by nchittendon

Jake needed me for my credit, obviously, to help get the loan. But, because the loan is 100% in my name, I also have a contract done up by a lawyer to protect myself. I have a lot invested in this "project" and won't get left with my dick out in the wind, I assure you. I will also see what I can do to make previous engagements "right" once again. I understand that there is money owed, or engines owed and I will do what I can to see those promises fulfilled. I won't lie, the SBA loan has not come through yet, so we are idle at this time. Anyone who has dealt with the government knows it can take forever to get things done.

I didn’t “need” you for your credit. That was just a bonus. When we first started talking about this whole thing did I ask you, “Hey, what’s your credit like”? Nope! We didn’t figure out that your credit would be the only thing used until after we handed everything into the bank. Don’t make it sound like I wanted to go into business with you just for your credit. That’s not what I was doing it for.

Originally Posted by nchittendon

I hope that clears things up a bit. After reading all the threads on different DSM sites, I'm not sure how much business I'll actually have, but it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. I used to wrench for a shop after 2 years of tech school and they didn't pay squat. So I got into truckin to make some good money. I told myself that I would never wrench again unless it was for myself. Now I have the opportunity and it's blemished by this. Consider me equally annoyed. If Jake were an equal partner in this, I would have already backed out. But currently, I am the owner of Vogel Performance. I am going to attempt to ride this out and hope that I can help heal the proverbial scarring that Jake has left with the name.

Like I said before, you haven’t taken ownership of anything yet. Not until the loan goes through and we sign the contract. Since when am I not an equal partner? Because of the loan, you said it would only be on paper as you would be the owner until I am put on the loan. And I was suppose to get everything off the ground for 4-6 months until we got a decent customer base, money started coming in and you could get out of he truck, then what, get rid of me and you’ll be sitting where you want?

Originally Posted by JET

Neil, welcome to the forum. I don't think people will have a problem with you at all, or even the name of the business name, if you can't change it. If you have Jake working there though, that is going to be an issue. You know all about Jake now, and now we know why he FINALLY tried to clear things up and admitted to what he did. Notice that he didn't admit to any of it until very recently?

The only reason I posted when I did is because people made such a HUGE deal about where I was or what I was doing when THEY didn’t have anything to do with the situation. Did you notice the people that I have been dealing with weren’t posting. I posted because I’m not hiding like everyone thinks I am. I talk to a few people on this board just about every other day or so, have done business with a few of the members here as well, but people that have nothing to do with me or my business still consider it big news if they see me post on another board. GET A LIFE!

Originally Posted by JET

I say change the name of the shop if at all possible, ditch Jake all together and make a go of it on your own or find another partner. I wish you luck, it isn't an easy thing to jump into.

The name WILL NOT be changed. Don’t worry about ditching me… Everyone’s advice has been taken. Consider it done. I'm out!

Originally Posted by Mr.98GSX

I would have posted sooner but was was a victim of the ban stick. So let me get this straight, you were with jake this whole time and had no idea he was screwing all these people out of their money? Hell, all you had to do was google search Jake Vogel and you could find a ton of people that he screwed over.

You seem like a pretty nice guy, but then so did Jake right before he took everyones money. I can promise you will see absolutely no business from me nor will you see any good comments about Vogel Performance coming from my direction until Jake is completely out of the picture. Hell the guy just IMed me a few weeks ago just to let me know I left my lug nut key in his garage and he threw it away. Something tells me Jake has not changed one bit and as long as you are working with him your business has some major problems.

If you didn't know Jake was stealing money before whos to say you wont realize he's doing it again?

Wow, you are full of shit too… I never said I threw it away. I said if you want me to I can cause I don’t need it and you said that’s cool, you could just get a new one from the local parts store instead of running all the way down here. I haven’t thrown it away yet either. I’m not that big of an asshole. I told you I would keep it if you wanted it back.

Neil was not “with” me this whole time. We didn’t submit the first part of the papers for the loan until the middle of December. Which had to be changed and the final copies were submitted last week.

Technically I didn’t “steal” money. It was given to me for parts and they have not been delivered yet. Cant steal something that is given to you. I am fully prepared to follow through with any deals that were made and supply parts or services that were already paid for. I’m not just up and ditching town like someone else we all know.

Originally Posted by blageo23

Im one of those people that base my opinion on first impression. One local shop rubbed me the wrong way and never went back, another was great from the minute I bought something from them and I buy 90% of my parts from them because of that. So just make good impression on your new customers and Im sure that you will end up alright. But like you said the cards are against you.

If you are basing your opinion off your first impression, then would it be good? Considering I sold you an O2 housing made for a 38mm external w/g a few years ago and you seemed to be happy with the deal. I even wanted to buy it back from you. Although in the other thread you stated I sold you a Magnus SMIM and I screwed you. I’m sorry but you must be mistaking me for someone else because I have never owned one or sold one.