DKS Cams

[PSI2HI]

Originally Posted by niterydr

Word to that. However, without continued research and development, who's to make new products?
Hell I bet buschur considers your FMIC kits knockoffs of his. (He did invent the FMIC right? ).

Haha, yeah so he thinks. I consider a "knock off" a poor quality replica make w/ cheaper sources/materials, which is in no way what we're doing. We're still using Garrett cores. Some days it just doesn't seem worth even offering a quality product anymore. Nobody cares anymore about whats good, better, best, or even worse anymore, all they care about is how "cheap" the price is.

[Pushit2.0]

Originally Posted by PSI2HI

Some days it just doesn't seem worth even offering a quality product anymore. Nobody cares anymore about whats good, better, best, or even worse anymore, all they care about is how "cheap" the price is.

Not to be off topic, but it sounds like there should be testing done, High quality product Vs. Ebay knock off. Ither flow bench numbers, dyno numbers, IAT differences, etc. Back on topic regrid cams have a time and a place as said befor, I do not think DSM's need them.

~John

[TheBlizzard]

There are good ideas out there, the problem is that most people want to keep the cost of R&D low as well as materials. This to me is cutting corners and what suffers is the quality. You think the HKS cams are durable as well as perform good by accident? I am sure a lot research went into the cam line and I am sure corners were not cut to keep cost low and profits high. They took the quality route which in the end payed off huge for them with the cams for example. Yeah they are spendy but whats your time worth? If you have to pull out shitty cams every year and mess with them or replace them you aren't really saving anything by going cheaper.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

There are good ideas out there, the problem is that most people want to keep the cost of R&D low as well as materials. This to me is cutting corners and what suffers is the quality. You think the HKS cams are durable as well as perform good by accident? I am sure a lot research went into the cam line and I am sure corners were not cut to keep cost low and profits high. They took the quality route which in the end payed off huge for them with the cams for example. Yeah they are spendy but whats your time worth? If you have to pull out shitty cams every year and mess with them or replace them you aren't really saving anything by going cheaper.

I never said that the HKS cams aren't good, were done by accident, or were defending the DKS cams. I've never even seen a "DKS" cam. I was defending the idea's and misconceptions about regrinds and small companies doing QUALITY research and development.
HKS cams are cheap compared to what new grinds for my car would cost (small market, $1800 for blank cams, no profiles!). Regrinds are a great choice for small/undeveloped market, because the research and development can go along ways before you start making lobe changes, etc (aka FP's cams).
I'd just go with a proven cam company if it were me. There are enough offerings out there to not even have to think about regrinds.
Heck, you can buy hks cams used for $300-400 if you dig around enough.

[TheBlizzard]

Originally Posted by niterydr

I never said that the HKS cams aren't good, were done by accident, or were defending the DKS cams. I've never even seen a "DKS" cam. I was defending the idea's and misconceptions about regrinds and small companies doing QUALITY research and development.

Great cause I wasn't really talking in reference to your post. Just stating my opinion on the topic at hand. Now remove under garment from bottom and proceed.

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Great cause I wasn't really talking in reference to your post. Just stating my opinion on the topic at hand. Now remove under garment from bottom and proceed.

Alright .

Originally Posted by Outlaw1

Are you saying you will be changing your rocker ratio by shimming it?

I think you're actually talking about shimming the HLA because you have a small base circle cam and you want to maintain the stock lifter preload.

No I will not be changing my rocker ratio by shimming it. I was saying that I need to shim them HLA so I maintain the same amount of contact with the cam follower, or as you said, keep the stock HLA preload.
I was just stating that cam regrinds don't change the rocker ratio. I've seen that brought up before (it'll throw off my rocker ratio, change the angle), which if the HLA is shimmed properly, it will not. Just trying to squash a theory.

Originally Posted by PSI2HI

Haha, yeah so he thinks. I consider a "knock off" a poor quality replica make w/ cheaper sources/materials, which is in no way what we're doing. We're still using Garrett cores. Some days it just doesn't seem worth even offering a quality product anymore. Nobody cares anymore about whats good, better, best, or even worse anymore, all they care about is how "cheap" the price is.

I agree, sometimes the R&D is difficult to justify when some knock-off company can offer some piece of shit product for 1/4 the price. Thats why you need testing and concrete numbers for everything in this day and age.

[riderevolution]

there is no way in hell that I would trust shims for my cams!!

[Pushit2.0]

With all the options for DSM cams I would not look into regrinds unless you are on a tight budget or somthing. But where the market for cams is smaller they seem like a good option. The FP and Crower cams are a good price for what you get. I will end up running some cams from Crane cams that cost ~$750 or so.

~John

[Matt D.]

Now that I've been educated...

I'm never buying regrinds. Like mom always said, if it looks like shit, smells like shit and feels like shit, it must be...

[JET]

I think he is saying the cam will change the lift, not the shimming of the HLA.

[niterydr]

LMAO!
Naw mad flatness for VTEC, its actually 1" of lift .

[unreal808]

My 2cents the cam’s are a O.K. cheaper alternative. They are regrinds not hard welded and have a one year warranty. FFWD have been serving the DSM community for a long time and do good work IMOP.

[GVR-4579]

I got a regrind cam for my 240, it was cheap and works great, no problems with it at all. Have been looking into them for my Galant but havent decided yet.

[Halon]

All this talking about testing these got me wondering, and I am a little skeptical myself.

They were so cheap anyways!!

So what do you say LSE? When I come home in April you know I was wanting to hop on the dyno. Lets do some runs with my car on stock cams, and then put these in and see what gains we see?

[CVD]

Hey brandon, you getting cam gears to go with those?

[niterydr]

We can do that brandon.

[Halon]

No cam gears, just these. That should work right? And I have some Crower springs and Ti retainers on the way as well. I had a fair amount of people I knew in Socal that were running 272's without upgraded valvetrain and they did fine, but I figured that I won't gamble, and just do it right.

(btw, i just found out what CVD stands for about 5 hours ago!)

[CVD]

Originally Posted by ju-on

No cam gears, just these. That should work right?

Probably not...but you know, I bet I could get rid of them for you since I'm such a nice guy and all.

Originally Posted by ju-on

(btw, i just found out what CVD stands for about 5 hours ago!)

Hah, nice!

[Halon]

Shit you were supposed to get rid of my stock fpr! I don't plan on getting any other gears since these are supposed to be able to just drop in and go. So hopefully that means I don't need any new gears. If I do, then shit man more money!

[CVD]

Yeah, you dont need new ones. Hey, why dont I take your cams & gears and I'll hook you up with my stock cam gears...if I can find em. I'll pay for the cams of course. When you swapping em?