Evo X upgrades - Page 71

**mlomker** · 09-06-2010

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Originally Posted by totaleclipse_05

That sucks, I have only heard good things about the ID injectors besides them possibly having issues on your car.

There are threads saying that the DW1300's have identical problems...hunting AFRs at cruise, etc. The problem may very well be the Evo X ECU. Shane has said that they tune perfectly on an AEM and the ID1000 and DW1000's are universally considered to work perfectly on the X.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-e...ml#post8489599

FattyBoomBatty · 09-06-2010

Crazy. Are you presently needing 2000cc of injector? I guess if not, don't use 'em.

**Murlo26** · 09-06-2010

Several people have tuned the DW1300's to work fine, so I think they CAN work, but it might take some time.

Do you maybe have that issue with your return line that I think a few people saw? Or maybe that was just the in tank line for filling the pump setup...can't remember now.

**mlomker** · 09-07-2010

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Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

Are you presently needing 2000cc of injector?

Not at all. I bought them because the choices at the time were 1k or 2k...there was nothing in-between on the X.

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Several people have tuned the DW1300's to work fine, so I think they CAN work, but it might take some time.

Bryan@GST has commented that some sets work and some don't...QA might be spotty. I don't have the funds for a lot of Shane's time right now.

He sent me an email suggesting that we swap the 1000's back in so that I can verify that the intake is 100%. That seemed like a good idea. I'm going to try to do that this week. I just need to get one of the ROMs that he used on the dyno.

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Do you maybe have that issue with your return line that I think a few people saw?

That was the return line filter plugging up in the stock hanger. BlaqOPs removed yours and I don't have a stock hanger.

That problem causes excessive fuel pressure until the pump burns out. I'd be THRILLED to have excessive pressure right now, for any reason. haha.

**scheides** · 09-07-2010

I've heard spotty things on the DW1300's as well, so I'll be curious to see how you like them; the weirdest problem being that they're loud. I've never had loud injectors until I put in the dw800's and if the dw1300's are excessively loud that is just plain weird to me!

They seem like the right size to get though so I wouldn't be afraid to use them. So this is now your 4th set of injectors? Goddamn, might as well build a custom IM that supports 4x fuel rails to round off your mammoth fueling system

**mlomker** · 09-07-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

So this is now your 4th set of injectors?

FML buddy. Over $2k in injectors now. Hope the DW1300's work out so I can sell the others! I can't hear injectors over my pumps. lol.

**Murlo26** · 09-07-2010

I think the DW1300's will work honestly. Should you be a little nervous...with your luck lately, sure, lol.

But I trust DW, I know people have gotten them to work, so I think Shane can get them to work.

You should be able to recoup most of the ID cost I would think, even used those have to be worth 500+. And the DW1000's are popular, so those should be an easy sell.

Yea you will lose out on some but in the end it will work out hopefully.

**mlomker** · 09-07-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

I think the DW1300's will work honestly.

Yeah, and Shane thought the ID's would be fine too. Per usual there isn't anything assured when it comes to 1000cc+ injectors so we're rolling the dice.

I'm not changing anything on this car if we ever get it to run right.

**Murlo26** · 09-07-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

I'm not changing anything on this car if we ever get it to run right.

I don't blame you and think this is a great idea!

**mlomker** · 09-07-2010

I'm going to ditch the PLX OBDII gauge that I'd purchased. I determined that when it is connected to the ECU that the NAV doesn't work. It doesn't provide information that is useful when driving hard and it doesn't log so it's a waste of time. I think I'll just get Tactrix logging set up like scheides does (hopefully that doesnt F with the NAV).

I'm going to put a Prosport fuel pressure gauge in that second pod.

simulatedwood · 09-07-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

I'm going to ditch the PLX OBDII gauge that I'd purchased. I determined that when it is connected to the ECU that the NAV doesn't work. It doesn't provide information that is useful when driving hard and it doesn't log so it's a waste of time. I think I'll just get Tactrix logging set up like scheides does (hopefully that doesnt F with the NAV).

Confimed NAV works great with the tactrix logging.

Sorry to here about all your issues, be patient, it will all work out. If you need any help troubleshooting, i am willing to help however I can. (I.e. logging or whatever)

**mlomker** · 09-07-2010

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Originally Posted by simulatedwood

Confimed NAV works great with the tactrix logging.

I think my NAV problem is more complex. It wasn't working tonight with it disconnected, either. I guess that one remains on the mysteries list.

**cmspaz** · 09-07-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

I'm going to put a Prosport fuel pressure gauge in that second pod.

Prosport FTW.

Speaking of, I still need to get mine installed.

**mlomker** · 09-08-2010

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Originally Posted by cmspaz

I still need to get mine installed.

Fuel pressure or other gauges?

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I threw a couple CELs on the way to work. The 'front o2 slow' that I've seen plenty of lately and rear o2 'no activity'. I've been getting the latter since I had the car tuned. Shot Shane an email to see if the rear was disabled for some reason.

I may need to roll back to the old tune and AMS intake.

After seeing the gooey stuff on the end of my injectors last night, I'm wondering if my hard lines might be obstructed somehow. I don't suppose it'd cost too much to run new lines direct to the engine bay.

**scheides** · 09-08-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

I don't suppose it'd cost too much to run new lines direct to the engine bay.

Or just a bottle of fuel system cleaner?

**asshanson** · 09-08-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

Or just a bottle of fuel system cleaner?

AKA a gallon of gasoline mixed in for a bit to flush out the junk.

**mlomker** · 09-08-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

Or just a bottle of fuel system cleaner?

Wasn't sure if that was safe with E85. People also prattle on about E85 keeping everything nice and clean. Umm, no.

The Bosch is moving a lot less fuel than it should be. Running new lines would probably cost the same as two more hours of failed tuning. Of course it's shooting in the dark, like always.

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Originally Posted by asshanson

AKA a gallon of gasoline mixed in for a bit to flush out the junk.

Pump gas mixed in with the E85? Does it have cleaning agents that E85 doesn't have?

**mlomker** · 09-07-2010

Swapped my injectors in DB's parking lot this evening. The DW1000's brought the car back to life. The AFRs are still wild at cruise. Either it's the intake or my stock fpr isn't doing it's job anymore.

I think I'll leave the intake on if it doesn't cause CELs to be thrown.

**asshanson** · 09-08-2010

The gooey stuff is somewhat common for running e85. I ran for over a year once without checking them and one clogged it had so much junk on it. A minute or two in an ounce of gasoline clears it right up.

I'm guessing the rear o2 is disabled since it's only for emissions, but it shouldn't be throwing any rear o2 codes if that is the case.

Good luck figuring things out.

**mlomker** · 09-08-2010

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Originally Posted by asshanson

I'm guessing the rear o2 is disabled since it's only for emissions, but it shouldn't be throwing any rear o2 codes if that is the case.

My understanding is that if you disable it and don't physically remove it then it'll get damaged (we didn't remove it). The X will also continue to throw codes unless you wire in a wideband like scheides has done.