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Pushit2.0 · 12-04-2005

I would say with the same amount of money placed in ither vehical supra vs 3/s you could end up with similar results, two cars that are fast, handle and stop with there own style, and strengths. I would take a 3/s and build it right, which untill now no one has really tried all that hard to do. It is hard to make and market performance parts for the 3/s due to the customer base. Has a company we are trying to push the market to use a matching setup that will make and hold power. The winter is long and we will see what pops up in spring.

~John

niterydr · 12-04-2005

I am done with this thread, we'll see what happens this spring.

FattyBoomBatty · 12-04-2005

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I am done with this thread, we'll see what happens this spring.

I predict a general warming trend through the mid-western states with high altitude pressure drops accross the board.

**JET** · 12-04-2005

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I don't know, how useable are dsm's? They constantly break, why bother trying to make power? We aren't shredding gears in transmissions (like shane), we just bust transfer cases and are currently bitching on how completely stock motors don't hold 35psi with twin evo 16g's.
Real problems

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Billet transfer case housing, stronger non rusted output shaft, front diff upgrade for safety.
Put in a clutch, back to bulletproof drivetrain (within reason).

I have stayed out of this for a long time. How do you know the 3S isn't going to be breaking more serious things when they actually make some power and can put it down? Matt J. is shredding t-cases at what, 550 whp? Who is to say gears won't start shredding at 600 whp once that weak link is gone? DSM's have proven it can be done. The 3S talk is that, just talk with nothing to back it up.

On the other hand, I really like 3S's, but they are not intended to be drag cars. They are a GT class car, and are very good at that. They have tall gears (bad for drag racing) and are heavy. This makes them easy to drive and stable at high speeds, exactly what they were intended to do. I like the looks of them and they are a higher class car than the DSM. That still doesn't make them a better drag car though, and they haven't proven that they can be. They do have the potential to be, but that potential has not been realized yet, and probably won't be as a 9 sec 3S on a stock drivetrain is probably not going to happen.

The Supra on the other hand has run 9 sec passes on the stock drivetrain and lower end. It is just built beefier. I am by no means a Supra fan either, I actually don't like the cars, but do respect them for what they do.

niterydr · 12-04-2005

Nevermind... I am glad I am not building a "no holds bar drag car".
We already have one of those, no point for a repeat.
I'll just have fun in my Jack of all trades GT class car next year, that is the goal.

Pushit2.0 · 12-04-2005

I do not think a supra or a dsm were intended to be a drag car either, there are just more people throwing money into them so they seem like a drag car.

~John

**Kracka** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Pushit2.0

I do not think a supra or a dsm were intended to be a drag car either, there are just more people throwing money into them so they seem like a drag car.

~John

Agreed. Last I checked the Japaneese don't view drag-racing as a true form of racing.

**JET** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Pushit2.0

I do not think a supra or a dsm were intended to be a drag car either, there are just more people throwing money into them so they seem like a drag car.

~John

They weren't intended for it, but they work better for it. Have DSM's made a 9 sec pass on a stock drivetrain? Yep. Has a Supra? Yep. Has a 3/S? One is within 1/2 sec., which is still a long ways off and is breaking stuff. I just don't see how some people are saying the 3/S is so great, when it is not proven at all. Once it gets there, fine, but until it has, it is purely speculation.

I know Swanny has taken this pretty personal, but you shouldn't. It is not aimed at you. I just don't think a car with a questionable drivetrain should be given accollades without proving itself first.

**Kracka** · 12-04-2005

JET, you also must realize that not all of us are claiming what a great drag machine it is. There are a lot of car enthusiasts who do not care about drag-racing and who are more into circuit racing or even just having fun on the streets.

**JET** · 12-04-2005

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On the other hand, I really like 3S's, but they are not intended to be drag cars. They are a GT class car, and are very good at that.

Kinda like that? This thread was about drag #'s though and the 3/S doesn't have the number to back it up (yet?).

**Kracka** · 12-04-2005

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Kinda like that?

Exactly

MustGoFaster · 12-04-2005

Well it seems to me that the 3S was the fat kid that got picked last, as far as modding. I mean, it's just finally becoming more common for people to have non TD04 based turbos. Even then there are still 25 page threads about how badass this one guy’s car is going to be, cause he’s “Going TD05“. Just for comparison, I can take a 9b compressor wheel and drop it down the inlet to my 16G's. As far as the drive train, how many 10/9 second passes can a stock DSM drive train take? 5 speed 3S's can take a few mid/high 10's. With a simple brace on a new t-case Mark W. has over 30 hard launches with no failure. He is also using a 300M output shaft cause he’s got the weak version transmission (the output shaft is what makes it the weak version). Not as good, cause he acutely had to do something like drill holes in metal , weld it together and bolt it on the outside of his t-case. It may be just a matter of time before he breaks that, but it's a few straps of mild steel welded together and bolted on. Is the drive train really THAT suspect? Matt’s car does kill t-case’s, but it’s a 6 speed. So I guess both versions of the 3S transmission has it’s weak point on the outside so far.

And Chris is does have a point (and I see you agree), I am building my car with road courses in mind, that’s why I only went with 16G’s. If I have drive train problems that I can’t take care of, I guess I was wrong. But I think the main argument he is over drag racing.

niterydr · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by JET

They weren't intended for it, but they work better for it. Have DSM's made a 9 sec pass on a stock drivetrain? Yep. Has a Supra? Yep. Has a 3/S? One is within 1/2 sec., which is still a long ways off and is breaking stuff. I just don't see how some people are saying the 3/S is so great, when it is not proven at all. Once it gets there, fine, but until it has, it is purely speculation.

I know Swanny has taken this pretty personal, but you shouldn't. It is not aimed at you. I just don't think a car with a questionable drivetrain should be given accollades without proving itself first.

Its not speculation, and I am not taking it personal.
I just get tired of people chiming in over stuff they have no clue about. The supra's puke drivetrain, the DSM's puke drivetrain, and the 3/S puke drivetrain. That's given. I just don't understand how some people feel they are more "plugged in" to a community that I am active in? I am pretty damn sure I know all the cronic problems of the 3/S AND the DSM platform. All I am saying, is lets give a little respect where a little respect is due.
And honestly, the supra is a great platform to start with. It has a very strong engine, it has a great drivetrain setup for drag, and it is very popular. However, the supra was made as a HANDLING CAR. Otherwise I am pretty damn sure it wouldn't have IRS.
So now people ask, what is the point of your car swanny?
The point of my bloated pig is to have fun. Go to a audio competition and have fun, go to a car show, win a dyno contest, destroy some noob on the highway, own some people at the track, it doesn't matter, I am trying to build a well rounded, properly setup vehicle. I will not sacrifice comfort for speed, I will sacrifice it for safety, but not speed. I will not sacrifice weight for comfort, it can be as heavy as it needs, that is what alternative materials are used for. This thread was about my signature about supra's, members on here decided to drag me into it. The reason it is "personal" because it turned into a Supra vs. 3/S thing. The ONLY reason it turned into a Supra vs. 3/S debate is because I have a 3/S. If I would have owned a metro, it would be Supra vs. Metro, and that is what makes it personal.
And as far as the members on this board are concerned, it will be within the top 10% as far as drag racing numbers.
Finally about my sig, it is what something "American" car companies would build.
The supra is far from nimble, in factory form it DOESN'T have enough power, and is extremely overpriced for what it does. Its why the corvette continued to sell without improving in the mid 90's and the japanese supra-cars failed.
What's funny is after selling and driving Hummer's, they do fit in the same category. That is why I love the quote.
I have no clue about the popcorn fart thing, but it makes me

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