Bastard 20G?

[howslowcanyougo]

Originally Posted by Carlos

An evo 16g flows ~2lbs per minute more than a b16g. That is a diff of about ~20hp. Here is a bit more info about the turbos:

http://www.dsmstyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1229

The thread you pointed to made no claim of a signifigant diff in HP potential. In a car with a s16g and a evo 16g, I would bet on the driver. I do not see a big difference between any of the 16g turbos to justify calling it a worthwile upgrade for you.

According to this same thread, it looks like 4 lbs more per minute on the Evo3, is 40 + 25 for the new FMIC install = 65 HP gain!

What's wrong with a 65 HP gain, with a minimal risk to your motor to boot?

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14B 33lbs/min
16G 36lbs/min
B16G 38lbs/min
Evo16G 42lbs/min

Stole this info from mustgofaster. Mike (vicious) stated that 1lbs/min is about equal to 10 hp so a 14b should go up to 330 hp while an EVO16g should go up to 420 hp. Not sure about the s16g though. I would guess 350 because CVD got 319 fwhp. Add in the drivetrain loss and CVD made around 375 crank Hp.
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With a FMIC you could make another 20 to 30 horses I would think.

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Originally Posted by howslowcanyougo

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I guess I personally don't think it would be a worth wild upgrade. If I were to upgrade, I would go bigger. My GST came with a $800 FP big 16g on it and one of the first things I did to it was upgrade the turbo.
On my car with the blown HG, I am guessing the 6 bolt head might have been warped that was put on the 6 bolt since it wasn't tuned bad and it happened right away. I haven't pulled it off or done anything yet though. I guess I just cant get a good head for this thing if that is the case. It would be the 4th bad one swapped on the car and the 5th swapped in the 6 months I had the stupid car.

[howslowcanyougo]

Hey,

Many Thanks for the great insights Shane!

Right or wrong, I'm going just take the easy way out and get the one I wanted to begin with, that "Bastard 20G" with TB06 wheel. It's middle of the road, a very easy swap out for a n00b like me, is water cooled and still will flow @ 44lbs. This should hold me over just fine while I learn more, and can buy other support for the "Big Boy" someday.

Thanks to ALL of you for all the great feedback!

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Drivetrain loss is more like 10% for a manual. Built motors don't make much if any more power than stock motors. There isn't that much data on that tuners list either. Here is a small 16G making 350whp from ages ago and Josh Wingell is trapping 118mph with his EVO 16G in a 2G, which has to be close to 400whp in a car of that weight. I made almost 300whp on a 14B car with a intake, exhaust and boost controller. I don't see high 300s out of a manual and low 300s out of an auto being out of the question for an EVO 3 16G equipped car with some decent mods and race gas to back it up.