Teachers must HATE AMERICA!?!?!?!?!

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Kracka

If anything, running E85 should make you want to keep your HFC since its worse for the environment than regular gasoline.

Where did you read that? Everything that I've seen is to the contrary.

E85 is clean. A typical FFV driver can prevent 4 tons of lifecycle carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions and other harmful pollutants from entering our air every year by fueling with E85 instead of gasoline. Using E85 can reduce tailpipe emissions such as ozone-forming pollutants by about 20%. E85 will also reduce evaporative emissions of air toxics and ozone formers.
American Lung Association

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by mlomker

Where did you read that? Everything that I've seen is to the contrary.

It takes more energy to produce E85 than what using E85 saves.

[cmspaz]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

It takes more energy to produce E85 than what using E85 saves.

And beyond that, it has less potential energy per gallon, hence why you need larger injectors to dump more fuel. If you do calculations based on potential energy and not on volume, the carbon output difference is at most 3 significant figures.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by Kracka

If anything, running E85 should make you want to keep your HFC since its worse for the environment than regular gasoline.

Originally Posted by mlomker

Where did you read that? Everything that I've seen is to the contrary.

E85 is clean. A typical FFV driver can prevent 4 tons of lifecycle carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions and other harmful pollutants from entering our air every year by fueling with E85 instead of gasoline. Using E85 can reduce tailpipe emissions such as ozone-forming pollutants by about 20%. E85 will also reduce evaporative emissions of air toxics and ozone formers.
American Lung Association

Originally Posted by Kracka

Look what it takes to create 1 gallon of E85.

Guys, I think what he was getting at was that there is less emissions from the actual car itself, hence why he got a test-pipe. Not the overall process of making E-85>burning it in your car.

[caffeinetripp]

Either which way it goes; hating America, loving America, it really won't matter who influences the students and how they form their own opinions. There is much more influence in the media; television, newspaper, radio, and of course, the internet. Most people, I believe, would rather form "their own opinions" based on the research that they do outside of school, biased research or not.
Whether or not the faculty of the K-12 schools will be teaching to literally hate America, or whether they'll be teaching the students how to think for themselves (when in reality they won't be, no one really does, they just form their 'own' opinions upon those that have formed their 'own' opinions) isn't going to matter all of that much.
I don't know if anyone's noticed or not, but the last big change that this country has had unto itself where we came together as a nation for at least a brief moment in time in just plain awe and fright was a little over eight years ago, and before that it was, what, the Revolutionary War?

I'd rather learn from the teachers the basics of education, and then learn more about other people rather than the country. Really, the country doesn't matter, but it is the people that live here, the people that die here, that matter. Screw the country, love your neighbor, because once you love your neighbor, you'll love the country. Gotta start small to get somewhere big.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by goodhart

Guys, I think what he was getting at was that there is less emissions from the actual car itself, hence why he got a test-pipe. Not the overall process of making E-85>burning it in your car.

Whats it matter? Whether its pollution from the refining plant or the tailpipe its still going into the same atmosphere.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Whats it matter? Whether its pollution from the refining plant or the tailpipe its still going into the same atmosphere.

You cannot possibly think that when gasoline was first discovered and refined that it was perfect and efficient way of doing it. It took MANY years of research and development to get the emmissions of the process and plants to what they are today.
It will take many years of research and development to get E85 to a better way to produce it. But like most conservatives you seem to be thinking short term. The whole "drill baby drill" is a very typical conservative view, short term answer to a long term problem. But if you take the time to "develop baby develop" in new energies you can eventually increase the potential of many other methods.
I will NEVER take my vote for Obama back. I believe that he is trying to work towards solutions for all of the problems that seem to be coming up, but what can one man do? We put more stress and issues on him than ANY other president, and he is thinking Long Term. Not short term "lets give this country a bump just to get me through this presidency" thinking.

[Kracka]

They already have efficient ways of making ethanol and other parts of the world are using it very successfully, we just don't use them in this country which is why I have such a problem with it. It has nothing to do with me being conservative or liberal, it has to do with me caring about what is best for our economy in the LONG RUN.

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

You cannot possibly think that when gasoline was first discovered and refined that it was perfect and efficient way of doing it. It took MANY years of research and development to get the emmissions of the process and plants to what they are today.
It will take many years of research and development to get E85 to a better way to produce it. But like most conservatives you seem to be thinking short term. The whole "drill baby drill" is a very typical conservative view, short term answer to a long term problem. But if you take the time to "develop baby develop" in new energies you can eventually increase the potential of many other methods.
I will NEVER take my vote for Obama back. I believe that he is trying to work towards solutions for all of the problems that seem to be coming up, but what can one man do? We put more stress and issues on him than ANY other president, and he is thinking Long Term. Not short term "lets give this country a bump just to get me through this presidency" thinking.