TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!

[cmspaz]

http://www.orldsm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13236

If he's really seeing the temp gains he's claiming and getting boost as low as he's claiming, this could be huge. It won't stop me from getting an FMIC, but still, props to this guy.

[Nartanian]

Wow that's crazy! The piping is really short too.

[Halon]

Cool that he's trying something a little different than the norm.

[123abc]

It's like a real shaker hood scoop.


I bet he has good response with that setup...

[Constant_Project21]

Oooo I wanna do this. Would be sweet for a rally app, wouldn't have to worry about recking a front mount. That's a super short route intercooler. Can only imagine the response.

[4g63tcrazy]

I'd rather run no intercooler, meth injection and E85..

[turbotalon1g]

^english racing style? lol

[4g63tcrazy]

Is that who did it? I know there is a 16g car running 30psi like that and holding 30 til redline. Screw the intercooler and let meth injection be the IC..

[Constant_Project21]

Originally Posted by 4g63tcrazy

Is that who did it? I know there is a 16g car running 30psi like that and holding 30 til redline. Screw the intercooler and let meth injection be the IC..

Yep that was english racing that did that, they ran low 10's with it. Was an automatic. Makes me want to find a cheap auto awd dsm and do that. Maybe throw some of those neat paddle shifters on there too.

[MustGoFaster]

Temp drop of 120F means jack shit. (unless he's talking about compared to other IC systems) Final temp, is what's important.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Dude, the temps are 10 degrees below ambient too without any extra help. I also heard if he goes 88mph that it goes back in time.

Originally Posted by MustGoFaster

Temp drop of 120F means jack shit. (unless he's talking about compared to other IC systems) Final temp, is what's important.

[CVD]

I'm skeptical of anything that allows air to enter the engine bay without passing through the radiator. DSMs have cooling problems enough as it is.

[123abc]

Originally Posted by CVD

I'm skeptical of anything that allows air to enter the engine bay without passing through the radiator. DSMs have cooling problems enough as it is.

How do DSM's have more of a cooling issue than other cars?

[dumb_ricer]

Originally Posted by 123abc

How do DSM's have more of a cooling issue than other cars?

They tend to make more power than other cars.

[goodhart]

IDK, this looks like an awesome idea to me, it looks like an old guy is doing it too which more than likely gives him no reason to lie about how welll it does or doesn't perform like a younger person might do. It limits the size of intercooler sure, but it's original, very well done, and as far as we know it performs well. This guy has made a whole bunch of cool shit right in his garage too I think its pretty cool what he's doing

Originally Posted by CVD

I'm skeptical of anything that allows air to enter the engine bay without passing through the radiator. DSMs have cooling problems enough as it is.

I don't get it, he moved the intercooler, the radiator didn't move....



EDIT: more info I found on the IAT's

Originally Posted by JAXWHITE1G on orlando DSM

As posted earlier I got some data on the efficency of my intercooler. I have done some Research Diving in the past and was trained to collect scientific data for study. But I was not tought to interpret it. I do know that the data collected is not good data. there were to many inconsistancies to be accurate. All were done on a long highway on ramp and posted speed was not exceeded. But traffic made it difficult to repeat experiments and the low speed ranges are passed by so quickly it was difficult to lock the temps at the right time to get good readings. I did learn one thing. I need a cold air intake system.
The first test was acceleration and highway cruise no boost.
outsid air temp 76 Deg
mph - inlet temp - outlet temp
20 - 131 - 91
30 - 135 - 97
40 - 135 - 95
50 - 144 - 93
60 - 147 - 93
70 - 161 - 100

15lbs boost
mph - inlet temp - outlet temp
20 - 248 - 131
30 - xxx - xxx
40 - 262 - 138
50 - 257 - 134
60 - 302 - 159
70 - 331 - 174
These were averaged after several runs and I was so unhappy with the difficulty of getting acurate data that I forgot to test with the water sprayers on. I will do some testing again late at night when there is less traffic and I can get some more consistant data.
Also I was WRONG on the temp drop at idle. My data is collected in celcius and I have to convert to farenheit. My calculations were wrong the average temp is 10 above ambiant but will not go above that even idling for ten minutes.
I promised good or bad I would post the numbers so here they are. Tell me what you think!

[CVD]

Originally Posted by goodhart

I don't get it, he moved the intercooler, the radiator didn't move....

You're forcing air into the engine bay behind the radiator and increasing the overall air pressure in the engine bay. This means less air will be going through the radiator.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by CVD

You're forcing air into the engine bay behind the radiator and increasing the overall air pressure in the engine bay. This means less air will be going through the radiator.

I don't see how it could be much worse than putting a big FMIC right in front of the radiator though, Subaru's seem to do it without cooling issues, but then again I don't know much about aerodynamics either

[Halon]

Closed deck cast iron blocks probably don't help either.

[123abc]

Originally Posted by Halon

Closed deck cast iron blocks probably don't help either.

I'm just wondering because the only time I've had a problem with over-heating was when my fan relay took a dump. I wired it to a switch inside and it's been good since, with a fmic, and the stock oil cooler in the stock location. No a/c fan.

[HiImBrian]

This is a great idea. Only drawback I can see is that you are limited to a somewhat smaller intercooler. If I ever stumble upon a 1g and feel the need to make it into a race car I'd totally try this.