I just want to take a quick poll...

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

And the Republican party "isn't" trying to paint a picture of Obama as a terrorist by calling him by his middle name and talking about how he is hanging out with terrorist? Right now, CNN is talking about how McCain's reputation is being ruined by the way he is running his campaign.

I don't blame them, I personally don't want some middle-eastern Muslim running this country.

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

IT WASNT A DRAFT.
"The document posted and e-mailed by the McCain campaign on Tuesday night says at the end of its first full paragraph: “Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they’ve already suffered.”

So the government would buy the mortgages at a discounted rate, reflecting the declining value of the mortgage paper.

But when McCain reissued the document on Wednesday, that sentence was missing, to the dismay of many conservatives."

Why can't it be a draft just because it was emailed to some people? I have made a ton of procedures and formal documents, I always send them out in draft format to the parties involved to see if there is anything I should change.

Besides, why is it actually bad? He went AGAINST what the republicans wanted, you should be happy Tom!

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by JET

Besides, why is it actually bad? He went AGAINST what the republicans wanted, you should be happy Tom!

Tom doesn't care about that, he only cares b/c it gives him something to bitch about and point the blame finger over nothing while attempting to make McCain look bad.

[clean2g]

Originally Posted by Kracka

I don't blame them, I personally don't want some middle-eastern Muslim running this country.

1) His genealogy is not from the Middle East, Africa is not in the Middle East, last time I checked a map.
2) There's no proof he's a Muslim, and I don't appreciate that statement, being a Muslim myself. Just because I'm a Muslim doesn't mean I should be denied or disrespected if I ran for office. Yea, people think Muslims are terrorists, but that's because we've been given a bad name by some inhumane people, who claim to be Muslims. Frankly, a person's religion doesn't make a difference, and shouldn't make a difference as long as they are capable of doing the job and they don't mix their religion into it.

[Kracka]

I respect your opinions and comments; but he just has a few too many questionable things surround him for my taste. I have nothing against you, your skin color, or any religion you choose...the once or twice we met I thought you were a cool dude. I'm not denying or disrespecting Obama (or anyone else for that matter) in any way. As in all elections people are free to voice their opinions and choose the person who they feel best represents them, their opinions, morals, and ideals. I prefer it be someone with a strong political and military background to help get us out of the mess we're already in.

We have obviously gotten different info b/c I have heard he has very little "African American" in him and has openly admitted to being Muslim. Anyway, if McCain is to lose, I think I'd rather it be to Obama than Clinton!

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Kracka

I don't blame them, I personally don't want some middle-eastern Muslim running this country.

Originally Posted by clean2g

1) His genealogy is not from the Middle East, Africa is not in the Middle East, last time I checked a map.
2) There's no proof he's a Muslim, and I don't appreciate that statement, being a Muslim myself. Just because I'm a Muslim doesn't mean I should be denied or disrespected if I ran for office. Yea, people think Muslims are terrorists, but that's because we've been given a bad name by some inhumane people, who claim to be Muslims. Frankly, a person's religion doesn't make a difference, and shouldn't make a difference as long as they are capable of doing the job and they don't mix their religion into it.

WoW, Chris, I have seen that undertone in your comments, but that is just wrong. Like clean2g, I am also a Muslim. I find it VERY weird that somehow in this election people are/can simply say he might be a Muslim and that somehow automatically eliminates him as a candidate. If you believe all Muslims are terrorists, you are blind to the other 1 BILLION Muslims that are normal God fearing people who are very decent human beings. The fact that you and others try to point at his name, and where his father was from as a negative is truly a sad point in American history. Obama was born in HI.. he is an American, that's it. He also happens to be a Christian, so that should be good enough for all the Americans who do not like Muslims.

This election year is very sad to watch from a Muslim point of view. We now all know what people think of us.

[1QUICK4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWakF5XgYM

[Kracka]

If anyone on this board is convinced that I think any less of them because of skin color or religion then so be it, but I can assure you right now that is not the case. I've known you for a long time Mo and think you're a great guy and have nothing at all against you. I'm free to have my opinions and vote for who I want for the reasons I want. This supposed connection with William Ayers (among many other things) is just a little too questionable for my comfort.

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Kracka

If anyone on this board is convinced that I think any less of them because of skin color or religion then so be it, but I can assure you right now that is not the case. I've known you for a long time Mo and think you're a great guy and have nothing at all against you.

Good to hear, thanks for the clarification.

I dropped out of this thread a while ago because these kinds(political) of conversations never go anywhere, but when Religion(my religion) gets thrown out there as a purely negative thing, I have to honestly say it's offensive.

And like all highly political subjects, it's all propaganda.. going both way's.. It's the biggest game in the world, and whatever will work to change peoples minds is what will be spewed as fact.. when in fact it's all taken out of context and misconstrued(again, on both sides of the game).

[Kracka]

I agree with you regarding this thread Mo...I should have just stayed out of it b/c they do never go anywhere [good] or accomplish anything other than upsetting people! Politics, religion, and race are already very touchy subjects on their own and when combined like this it just becomes a mess b/c everyone has their own strong opinions and its so easy to take what someone says incorrectly (especially on the internet) which leads to even worse things. With all this said, I'm going to bow out of this thread

[A//// Guy]

I just respond to get Tom all riled up.

I stopped trying long ago, because there's really no point in changing people's minds. I'm not even sure I'm going to vote this year, because really, I don't like either candidate, even though I lean towards one.

The only way to change the economy truly, starts by getting all the corrupt people in charge of the banking system, all corporations, and also the Govt. That will never happen though.

[tpunx99GSX]

Anyone voting early? or is that not an option for MN?

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

This supposed connection with William Ayers (among many other things) is just a little too questionable for my comfort.

Just because you knew someone does not make you that person. Obamas connection with Ayers is far from best buddies.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia on Bill Ayers

"Bill Ayers and Barack Obama at one time lived in the same neighborhood in the city of Chicago, and both had worked on education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met "at a luncheon meeting about school reform."[41] Obama was named to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Project Board of Directors to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[42] The two served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.[42] In April 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate.[41] Since 2002, there has been little linking Obama and Ayers.[42] The senator said in September 2008 that he hadn't "seen him in a year-and-a-half."[43] In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."[41] CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved.[44] Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic "have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship".

[mdost03]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWakF5XgYM

Just watched that, hilarious! I love the trap door ideas.

Here's another good one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

[Matt D.]

Obama agreeing with Bush? NO WAY!

Obama says a McCain administration would be a Bush third term, yet Obama is in agreement with Bush on many areas. Here are 20 of them.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ama/index.html

[Matt D.]

Obama explains his tax cut plan to a small business owner. I don't get it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA

[Matt D.]

Obama says he will bankrupt the coal industry.

http://www.wsaz.com/political/headlines/33726759.html
http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215679-...s-unbelievable

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Obama says he will bankrupt the coal industry.

http://www.wsaz.com/political/headlines/33726759.html
http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215679-...s-unbelievable

Barack obama has stated many times that he is FOR CLEAN COAL technology. The statement was taken out of context.
Matt please admit you are a McCain supporter and give up masking yourself behind an independent tag. I have not seen one comment that really puts you in the Independent group or Undecided. You get your news from McCains Political (Lobbyist) advisers.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Barack obama has stated many times that he is FOR CLEAN COAL technology. The statement was taken out of context.
Matt please admit you are a McCain supporter and give up masking yourself behind an independent tag. I have not seen one comment that really puts you in the Independent group or Undecided. You get your news from McCains Political (Lobbyist) advisers.

I'm not even voting for McCain, so saying I support him would not be true. I don't want McCain to be president either, but I don't want Obama in office even more so. No matter where I get news from you Obama supporters will always say it's from some anti-Obama source. Is there some secret Obama approved news agency that I should be getting news from? Oh wait, they'd never tell the truth and say something bad about him... You better hope that I won't be saying "I told you so" if he's elected and drives this country further into the ground than it already is.

This country needs another JFK, a champion of the people. Obama is not a leader, he is a celebrity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqksDCWZPHE

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

I'm not even voting for McCain, so saying I support him would not be true. I don't want McCain to be president either, but I don't want Obama in office even more so. No matter where I get news from you Obama supporters will always say it's from some anti-Obama source. Is there some secret Obama approved news agency that I should be getting news from? Oh wait, they'd never tell the truth and say something bad about him... You better hope that I won't be saying "I told you so" if he's elected and drives this country further into the ground than it already is.

This country needs another JFK, a champion of the people. Obama is not a leader, he is a celebrity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqksDCWZPHE

I disagree with you. I believe Obama is going to be a great leader. I believe he will be a much more active and great leader then McCain ever could be.
No matter what the obama supporters say you will always say that we are voting for him because hes a celebrity or that we get our news from the left, but regardless the majority of the obama supporters (and majority of the country) can figure out the falsehoods that either campaign is spitting and pick the best of the two or at least i would hope.
You call Obama a Celebrity but look at the McCain Campaign, Sarah Palin is the epitomy of a celebrity, shes for the common woman? Yeah right, what common woman spends $150,000 on a wardrobe. GG Now stop calling him a celebrity.
I know the following you will jump all over but who cares these are shows that i trust to give me news.
Real Time with Bill Maher
Countdown with Keith Olbermann
and the Rachel Maddow show.
Nothing on CNN or Fake News (fox news)
I dont get my political opinion and news from Youtube, if you do you really need to rethink your accusations about the media.
The fact that the McCain campaign is using Joe the Plumber (who is unlicensed and was never planning or had the capital to be able to afford the business he was stating he was going to buy, and now has a publicist and manager to jumpstart his country music career) as their mascot is just stupid. Their campaign has done so many sleazy tactics to try and smear baracks name, and this is such a detriment to our government. Calling him a terrorist via robocalls, and basically slandering his name. Thanks for buying into it, Matt, The McCain campaign loves uneducated voters like you.
You also should really check out FactCheck.org before you go on helping spread the Republican Propaganda. Its a website that is not for the left of the right, its for the facts. and debunks both sides campaign materials.