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Swifty1638 · 12-03-2005

you're right, i know nothing. i'll crawl back into a corner now..fuck the world.

-A. Swift

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 12-03-2005

3/S = teh lose. The End.

Super Bleeder!! · 12-03-2005

supra heads are nicht so gut, but thats common fact

niterydr · 12-03-2005

Yes, the supra head sucks, or as shane would say "Nothing to write home about".
But then again, 3/s cams suck.
I dunno, we'll just see how much power my shitbox makes this spring.

Super Bleeder!! · 12-03-2005

is there a reason there were no 3/Ss in JGTC?

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 12-03-2005

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Originally Posted by notnormal

is there a reason there were no 3/Ss in JGTC?

They are obviously in a different league of vehicles.

Shotgun! · 12-03-2005

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Originally Posted by notnormal

is there a reason there were no 3/Ss in JGTC?

the FTO was used.
the Supra's used non-2JZ motors.

CDeutsch · 12-03-2005

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Originally Posted by notnormal

is there a reason there were no 3/Ss in JGTC?

Probably because sticking a V8 in it and converting it to RWD would be a lot of work.

The GTO did race in N1 Endurance but according to Taishi (the guy at the Mitsu cookout with the two yellow 3Ss) they weren't really production cars. Here's a quote of his from 3Si. (I'd love to have on of the N1 cars for all the weight savings they put into them)

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Probably we cannot call Puma GTO as GTO or 3000GT. The real ones are totally different from street cars.

The real one has RALLIARt 13G hibrid turbines, hi power fuel pump, 450cc injector and other upgrades. She weights little less than 3000lbs.

the N1 6G72 generated 450~500 hp (They claimed 350 for FIA).

The Best quater mile time is 11.210.

Mitsubishi made three Puma GTOs and two semi racing one.
Real ones are located in South East Asia. The Semi racing ones are in Japan now.

J-spec GTO MR has SL wing so as 94~95 Puma GTOs.

At least, my VR4 has Puma GTO motor in it.

niterydr · 12-03-2005

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Originally Posted by CDeutsch

Probably because sticking a V8 in it and converting it to RWD would be a lot of work.

The GTO did race in N1 Endurance but according to Taishi (the guy at the Mitsu cookout with the two yellow 3Ss) they weren't really production cars. Here's a quote of his from 3Si. (I'd love to have on of the N1 cars for all the weight savings they put into them)

So what you are saying is the puma gto is a 13g powered 3s that is trimed and has fuel mods? How is that dramatically different?

CDeutsch · 12-03-2005

They replaced major parts of the interior and exterior with lighter parts. If I recall right Taishi said they replaced a lot of the heavier body panels and the doors. I'm sure those three race cars each had over $100,000 into them. A 3000lb 3S would be sweet.

The bolts-on are obviously pretty weak for todays standards.

CDeutsch · 12-03-2005

More info:

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6G72 N1 motor, whish include TD04 13G hyblid turbines, 450cc injectors, forged internal parts, RALLIART coil pack, hi flow pumps and dynamic balanced,

Rev limit is 8500 rpm and the engine is designed to run continuously above 5000rpm for hours of the N1 endurance races.

The engine is controlled by RALLIART / P.I. RESEARCH integrated computer system.

Transmission is OEM. Grear ratio is also OEM. Clutch is RALLIART Metal N1 single.

suspension is made by KYB. its fully adjustable. Ride hight is lowered about 3" and front camber has negative six degrees.

Most of the extermal and internal chassis parts are made of ultra light material, which were made by RALLIART / MITSUBISHI Metal Industries.

The slit in the rear wing is a fuel inlet to the 50 gallon tank. The Racing quick charge fills up 50 gallons in less than 7 seconds.

Shotgun! · 12-03-2005

Oh yeah, the Supra record is still 980hp on stock bottom end, right?

Swifty1638 · 12-03-2005

nope...it's over a k now...

-A. Swift

niterydr · 12-03-2005

Sweet ass!

TheBlizzard · 12-04-2005

The horsepower numbers with the 6G72 4b and the 2JZ-GTE are interesting, but it does make sense. I don't think anybody here is saying that a 3/S can't make power, but how usable is the power going to be when you can keep things from breaking?

niterydr · 12-04-2005

I don't know, how useable are dsm's? They constantly break, why bother trying to make power? We aren't shredding gears in transmissions (like shane), we just bust transfer cases and are currently bitching on how completely stock motors don't hold 35psi with twin evo 16g's.
Real problems

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Billet transfer case housing, stronger non rusted output shaft, front diff upgrade for safety.
Put in a clutch, back to bulletproof drivetrain (within reason).

**JET** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by niterydr

I don't know, how useable are dsm's? They constantly break, why bother trying to make power? We aren't shredding gears in transmissions (like shane), we just bust transfer cases and are currently bitching on how completely stock motors don't hold 35psi with twin evo 16g's.
Real problems

.
Billet transfer case housing, stronger non rusted output shaft, front diff upgrade for safety.
Put in a clutch, back to bulletproof drivetrain (within reason).

I have stayed out of this for a long time. How do you know the 3S isn't going to be breaking more serious things when they actually make some power and can put it down? Matt J. is shredding t-cases at what, 550 whp? Who is to say gears won't start shredding at 600 whp once that weak link is gone? DSM's have proven it can be done. The 3S talk is that, just talk with nothing to back it up.

On the other hand, I really like 3S's, but they are not intended to be drag cars. They are a GT class car, and are very good at that. They have tall gears (bad for drag racing) and are heavy. This makes them easy to drive and stable at high speeds, exactly what they were intended to do. I like the looks of them and they are a higher class car than the DSM. That still doesn't make them a better drag car though, and they haven't proven that they can be. They do have the potential to be, but that potential has not been realized yet, and probably won't be as a 9 sec 3S on a stock drivetrain is probably not going to happen.

The Supra on the other hand has run 9 sec passes on the stock drivetrain and lower end. It is just built beefier. I am by no means a Supra fan either, I actually don't like the cars, but do respect them for what they do.

**JET** · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by JET

On the other hand, I really like 3S's, but they are not intended to be drag cars. They are a GT class car, and are very good at that.

Kinda like that? This thread was about drag #'s though and the 3/S doesn't have the number to back it up (yet?).

**Kracka** · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by JET

Kinda like that?

Exactly

TheBlizzard · 12-04-2005

Well considering the fact that there are tons of DSMs in the 10s and some even in the 9s on stock drivetrain I would consider them fairly decent. Everything has a breaking point and that has to do with a lot of factors. The only real problem the 3/S has is that its a touring car. It has tall gears and is really heavy. For a drag car application that combination does not mix in my opinion.