Project XXX AWD WHP Or Bust!

[Alpha D]

hahaha! Oh man talk about FAIL ...I GET IT!!!! This for sure wont ever happen again ha!but no it wasnt on e85... pump gas...still. Im sure it wasnt from fuel in the oil. . .im positive more leaning towards some kind of mechanical failure but yeah. . . LESSON LEARNED NO MORE STOCK FPR and no more ill get that part put on once i know the car runs. . . finish 100% before turning the key got it

[niterydr]

Originally Posted by Alpha D

hahaha! Oh man talk about FAIL ...I GET IT!!!! This for sure wont ever happen again ha!but no it wasnt on e85... pump gas...still. Im sure it wasnt from fuel in the oil. . .im positive more leaning towards some kind of mechanical failure but yeah. . . LESSON LEARNED NO MORE STOCK FPR and no more ill get that part put on once i know the car runs. . . finish 100% before turning the key got it

Just remember that when you are performing research on the internet you should validate your findings in a few places and from well respected and documented sources.

From a fuel flow perspective, overrunning the stock mas isn't the worst thing in the world, but it is still bad. It present a tuning issue when trying to calculate injector size and also makes it difficult for the computer to dial in fuel trims as two things are happening
1) The injector size is not the same as you've "published" in your dsmlink
2) The injector size changes inconsistently based on fuel consumption.

Generally speaking, new fuel setup + new components = difficult to manage unless you've been there and done that before.

Good luck next time.

[Alpha D]

Originally Posted by niterydr

Just remember that when you are performing research on the internet you should validate your findings in a few places and from well respected and documented sources.

From a fuel flow perspective, overrunning the stock mas isn't the worst thing in the world, but it is still bad. It present a tuning issue when trying to calculate injector size and also makes it difficult for the computer to dial in fuel trims as two things are happening
1) The injector size is not the same as you've "published" in your dsmlink
2) The injector size changes inconsistently based on fuel consumption.

Generally speaking, new fuel setup + new components = difficult to manage unless you've been there and done that before.

Good luck next time.

Thank You! Ill keep that in mind. A lot more planning will go into the next steps to recovery. Sucky tthis might of been preventable had i asked more question's instead of looking up a few things and winging it. Lesson learned once again thanks everyone for the constructive pointers and where i went wrong ect!

[Alpha D]

Sure has been forever since ive updated this project thread. My 1G Talon is finally running again and stronger then ever before...well actually for a few months now...ive just been working on it so much leaving, me little time to update threads or do much else for that matter.

After last years disaster i ended up picking up one Johns (Push it 2.0) Engine. Fresh rebuild new pistons rods, balanced crank, honed out just ALL OUT GOOD PLATFORM! In addition John's just one of the Coolest guys to work with BY FAR just so you know! Probably the most patient with my noob question's just awesome guy.

Here are a few pictures just because
















































The current mod list pretty much stays the same. Still rocking a 50 trim sold my 1200cc for some FIC BLUE Max 1450cc added a Aeromotive FPR to my fuel set up...few more SS lines here and there. Little smaller External Oil Cooler...the other one was just over kill as far as the actual oil lines went.

Tune is scheduled at DB Performance July 12th after over a Month of waiting finally get to go on the rollers. So as far as preperation's will go for the event just a fresh oil change spare spark plugs...im thinking of installing some camms but im not sure about that since my heads not really buildt. I miss placed my 280's and thought they got tossed but ended up finding them so i figure why NOT?....Boost leak test day before and i guess just make sure i prepare as much as possible before hand ....any advice is appreciated from you guys...and yeah hope itll make a lil over 100 WHP

[Alpha D]

And............like usually the pictures are all out of order GREAT! Ill fix that once i get home. I also decided to finally install the K sport coil overs and im pretty happy with its stance...its for sure, No hella flush but i was going for functionality and more of a performance aspect instead of looks? Either way rides a lil harsh...i assume my pre-load is just a lil over kill so hope to get that adjusted soon as well, corners like a Boss though

[goodhart]

Nice. Good luck with the tune

[evotuner]

Yeah good luck with the tune, hope all goes well

[x-pride]

Has the valve springs and retainers been updated? If not I would not install the 280 cams. The db website also has some things to check on before getting tune. Good luck on the tune.

[turbotalon1g]

i posted earlier, but what turbo?

[Alpha D]

X pride that's the thing, running these camms on a a stock head is skeetch, however person I got them from ran them quite a while on a unbuild head....I haven't done a single risky thing on this build besides contemplated running the Bc's for the tune...my goal was to rev the motor to 8k maybe 8250 but I just haven't done enough research as far as optimum rpm and or if its wise even on a build head with dual springs retainers ect....if I could get away at 7500 hundred without a build head just for the dyno I would do it....

My gut feeling tells me not to push my luck though and just wait till I get the springs before cam instal....I mean how likely or what are the odds of my valves floating at 7500 with stock springs...
pressures ect?

Turbo talon its just a tdo4b bulls eye 50 trim ball bearing turbo...I really like its spooling characteristics. Very responsive...goal is 28psi max ill need to see if it can spool and hold that psi through out the rpm range I want...24-26psi might be smarter....pretty much as much boost as I can handle without catastrophe

[Alpha D]

E85 and plennnty Boost to pass around! People seem to have good succes with 272 wish I could trade someone for my bigger camms

[x-pride]

Originally Posted by Alpha D

E85 and plennnty Boost to pass around! People seem to have good succes with 272 wish I could trade someone for my bigger camms

272 is the way to go or 264. You put a lot of time and money into your build why take the risk.

If you are running a stock tranny I would not rev past 7200. Stock tranny doesn't play well at higher rpm shifting.

[Alpha D]

7200 hmmm I guess that would be alright with me...yeah lots of money..not as much as some but enough. Ill just run my stock camms and set the rev limiter to 7500 or 7200 ill ask Shane ...

So shall we play guess that horse power? 26-28psi 50 trim, new 1g pistons and rods, duall 255 rewired fuel pumps, base fp set at 45, 2G maf ...1450cc injectors, e85, fp manifold, PORTED O2 housing, 3inch downpipe bolted on to a straight 3 inch pipe all the way back. Stock intake manifold, ETS core fmic set up 2G Throttle body inlet...my guess is 327 whp no idea about torque 338!

[evotuner]

336/308

[x-pride]

My guess 265 to 280 on the heart breaker dyno.

[turbotalon1g]

I think it will break 300 on there.

Depending on the condition of your transmission will determine how it likes high RPM shifting, just because it is stock doesn't mean it won't do it. I've shifted plenty of stock transmission's above 7500rpm, the clutch is the main point.

You can make a lot of power and high rpm power on a stock trans you just need a clutch.
6 puck/clutchnet disk or twin disk. If I did another manual DSM i'd do this with a stock trans. then 2.0 5858 and make 600whp.

[Alpha D]

Heart Break for SURE! 280 would be very very very depressing but from my set up i wouldnt be to suprised either... ill stick with my NUMBERS though

[mdost03]

Should definitely break 300 on the dyno. Good luck, looks good!

[goodhart]

Should be close to 300 on pump gas I bet. I guess 350ish if you are only wanting to run 26-28 psi and stock cams?

[Halon]

I think I made 340 at LSE on my old 50trim setup. Forget the details but it was e85, low 20's for boost, 272's, and a horseshit street tune done on the way to the dyno day.