March for health care!

[Matt D.]

Go go universal healthcare! Oh, wait...

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Do...-98202569.html

[1ViciousGSX]

It's only the beginning.

[1ViciousGSX]

Anybody really surprised? And this isn't coming from Fox News as so many like to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/he...3&ref=politics

[1ViciousGSX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1-eBz8hyoE&hd=1

[1ViciousGSX]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...n-hassett.html

Here's a chart of your new health care coverage. Anybody besides me see a problem?



Here's the link for the image so you can read it:
http://www.house.gov/brady/pdf/Obamacare_Chart.pdf
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press..._hc_chart.html

[Murlo26]

You mean aside from the fact that it will probably be so complicated shit will take forever to get done. Also so expensive to pay all the people involved that taxes will rise even more!

Or the fact that it is just a shit system perhaps, where everyone has coverage but no one has good coverage. Just a way for the dems to convince the poor people to vote for them again. They aren't paying any more money, why would they care, and they get something they didn't have, a little coverage.

[Kracka]

Reading the article is seriously scary.

"The new law creates 68 grant programs, 47 bureaucratic entities, 29 demonstration or pilot programs, six regulatory systems, six compliance standards and two entitlements."

"Getting that massive enterprise up and running will be next to impossible. So Democrats streamlined the process by granting Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius the authority to make judgments that can’t be challenged either administratively or through the courts."

"The Congressional Budget Office predicts that premiums for a small number of families who buy their insurance privately will rise by as much as $2,100."

"To pay for this expansion, the bill takes $529 billion from Medicare, with roughly 39 percent of the cut coming from the Medicare Advantage program. This represents a large transfer of resources, sacrificing the care of the elderly in order to increase the Medicaid rolls."

"For all this supposed reform, you, the American taxpayer, can expect a bill to the tune of $569 billion.

Front and center among the new taxes is the 40 percent excise tax on those lucky people with so-called Cadillac health plans. The higher insurance costs that are driven by the government mandates will push many more ordinary plans into Cadillac territory.

If the idea of taxing people with coverage deemed too good doesn’t bother you, maybe the new 3.8 percent tax on investment income will. That will apply even to a small number of home sales, those that generate $250,000 in profit for an individual or $500,000 for a married couple."

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by Murlo26

You mean aside from the fact that it will probably be so complicated shit will take forever to get done. Also so expensive to pay all the people involved that taxes will rise even more!

Or the fact that it is just a shit system perhaps, where everyone has coverage but no one has good coverage. Just a way for the dems to convince the poor people to vote for them again. They aren't paying any more money, why would they care, and they get something they didn't have, a little coverage.

Pretty much, all of the above. ^^^

[Kracka]

More states standing up for themselves! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...rance-mandate/ Time for the states to all start suing the federal government!

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

More states standing up for themselves! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...rance-mandate/ Time for the states to all start suing the federal government!

Don't forget this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...enge-continue/

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Don't forget this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...enge-continue/

"This lawsuit is not about health care, it's about our freedom and about standing up and calling on the federal government to follow the ultimate law of the land -- the Constitution," said Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who brought the suit. "The government cannot draft an unwilling citizen into commerce just so it can regulate him under the Commerce Clause."

[1ViciousGSX]

Any surprises here? I guess no, not really.

111 waivers to big companies for Obamacare.

http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations...or_waiver.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lots...acare-waivers/

[Matt D.]

Finally, showing some promise.

Judge Calls Health Law Unconstitutional
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...229615230.html

[polishmafia]

Good to hear it. Although the thing that pisses me off is that so many companies (like the one I work at) have already put so much time, effort, and money into getting ready for the changes, that if they reverse this bill... All of that is wasted. Completely wasted.

But I guess Tom will come in here and say it was Obama's plan to create or KEEP jobs. :P

[Goat Blower]

The dems planned this all along. Hire a bunch of people to ramp up healthcare, than hire a bunch more to tear it down. Kinda like hiring one crew to dig a hole and another to fill it back in. It's the 2011 dem job bonanza!

[tpunx99GSX]

Honestly, they should have put in a clause that says, if you dont want the healthcare, then you can opt out. But they only open enrollment every 5 years. And if you dont have insurance or the money to pay for the work being done UP FRONT, you simply dont get the care needed. PERIOD.
Which it then would be very funny when all of these republicans opt out, And then complain about how they cant get a doctor when they get sick because they dont have health insurance. I will laugh.
The people wanted a universal healthcare system, but then bitch when they are told they will have to pay for it. I welcome the universal healthcare for the simple reason that if another recession happens and im out of a job for 2 years or so, i would like to know that if i get a horrible disease, i dont want to go bankrupt trying to pay for it. But like ive said before, with the greedy, self centered people in this country, it will never happen the way it should. Everyone thinking for themself instead of others. im out of this thread and could really give two fucks what any of you really think when it comes to politics. You have all proven this many times that you done give a flying fuck about this countries people as a whole.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

I welcome the universal healthcare for the simple reason that if another recession happens and im out of a job for 2 years or so, i would like to know that if i get a horrible disease, i dont want to go bankrupt trying to pay for it.

So under this new plan you are gauranteed goverment funded healthcare if you lose your job?

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Honestly, they should have put in a clause that says, if you dont want the healthcare, then you can opt out. But they only open enrollment every 5 years. And if you dont have insurance or the money to pay for the work being done UP FRONT, you simply dont get the care needed. PERIOD.
Which it then would be very funny when all of these republicans opt out, And then complain about how they cant get a doctor when they get sick because they dont have health insurance. I will laugh.
The people wanted a universal healthcare system, but then bitch when they are told they will have to pay for it. I welcome the universal healthcare for the simple reason that if another recession happens and im out of a job for 2 years or so, i would like to know that if i get a horrible disease, i dont want to go bankrupt trying to pay for it. But like ive said before, with the greedy, self centered people in this country, it will never happen the way it should. Everyone thinking for themself instead of others. im out of this thread and could really give two fucks what any of you really think when it comes to politics. You have all proven this many times that you done give a flying fuck about this countries people as a whole.

You are missing the point...we just hate lazy fucks

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by Murlo26

You are missing the point...we just hate lazy fucks

This.

The United States of America is the land of opportunity. It is NOT the land of hand outs and receiving that which you do not deserve.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

This.

The United States of America is the land of opportunity. It is NOT the land of hand outs and receiving that which you do not deserve.

+ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000