Hydrogen Generator for my daily car - Page 4

Black97civic · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Gravy

If he could break the water down in a small go-cart. I think we could do with in a car.

Yes, with batteries, which get charged by pullging the thing into a wall, or with solar panels. I never said he didn't do it, or was using magic, but it is simple chemistry, bonds need energy to be broken, which is what he is doing. There is no way to do it without introducing outside energy, which is why we don't all have cars that run forever on water already, if it was as easy as that news program said, there would be a lot of backyard mechanics with old junkers running on water engines.

SchuttsR1 · 05-25-2006

Honda has a hydrogen cell concept car that they plan on producing. You can only lease them now, and thats only for a select few in california, and the price of the car is 150k.

Good luck on your flux capacitor

Gravy · 05-25-2006

The Geo with a custom build reaction chamber and a new electrical system(120 watt alternator) custom build amp and the correct workings of the system he had a fully operational system powering a 3 cylinder Geo Metro. Mind you gents, we arn't talking about a drag car. Just something to get from point A, to point B. For those that have been in the DSM world for too long, that means no boost.

joesushi · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Blue89Quest

Ok, keep completely missing my point.

What powered that dune buggy. Water, I know, but what provided the energy to break down that water?? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't an experimental fusion power plant...

Well, it could have been! Yeah it was a little bit off topic. sorry.

As for Jet's response, there certainly aren't any plans for the US to get one. The frenchies are gonna have one up on us, if and when they get it going.

tim · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by SchuttsR1

Honda has a hydrogen cell concept car that they plan on producing. You can only lease them now, and thats only for a select few in california, and the price of the car is 150k.

And in DC.

Black97civic · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by joesushi

Well, it could have been! Yeah it was a little bit off topic. sorry.

As for Jet's response, there certainly aren't any plans for the US to get one. The frenchies are gonna have one up on us, if and when they get it going.

Fusion power aside, the real problems we have are those of power transmission.

We have nuclear power plants that, in the grand scheme of things, make little to no pollution when compared to conventional power plants. So all we have to do is use power from them to break water down to the hydrogen and oxygen.

This is where the transmission problem comes into effect. If we did all that hydrogen making at the power plant, it would be pretty cost effective, but when you transmit power, to say, a gas station with a hydrogen generator, you lose a lot of the cost benefit because of all of the work required to get the power to the places that you need it. The catch 22 thing is that if we made the hydrogen at the power plant, or at a gas station, you defeat the main advantage, filling your car up with water. The only real feasible way to do this is to have a car that you charge up with electricity in a wall outlet, which is supplied by the local nuclear power plant, and charge up a bunch of batteries, which run the electrolysis to make your hydrogen, and uses an alternator, regenerative braking, etc. to keep your batteries charged. Since there are energy losses in every system of that hypothetical car, yoiu would need to charge up the batteries occasionally as the alternator probably wouldn't be able to keep up with the energy needs of the car. This would be much like filling up your gas tank, except it would take place in your garage, with a wall outlet. If you did this, you could have a hydrogen powered car that you fill with water, that needs to be charged once a week. If you want to get even trickier, throw a small gas generator in the mix for emergencies to charge the batteries the way your current car does, and you could have a "gas powered" car that gets 500mpg.

We could do hydrogen powered cars fairly easily with our existing technology, fusion plants would be great, but I would be fine with having some really bad waste in a highly isolated, well guarded, underground bunker, as opposed to having a shitload of "not so bad" pollution that is wrecking the planet.

I don't want to sound like a hippie there, couldn't be farther from the truth, but what most people don't realize is that we have all the technology, but we are "afraid" to use it. Nuclear power is really the only feasible option we have currently, and if we keep waiting for something better to come along, we might just wait until it is too late to make up for our previous mistakes. All this because of chernobyl, and three mile island, and all the NIMBY hippie bullshit.

**JET** · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by joesushi

As for Jet's response, there certainly aren't any plans for the US to get one. The frenchies are gonna have one up on us, if and when they get it going.

What would be the point of other country's funding France's reactor? It is so that if it works we will all be building them. If that reactor works you will see them popping up all over the world.

I agree with the last post too. We could do it and make a car that runs on water AND electricity. One other major problem is how much space hydrogen takes up. It is not a dense gas at all (because it is the lightest element and floats). It needs to be at VERY high pressure (think 1500 psi) to get to a similar concentration to gas. In their normal states hydrogen occupies a much larger area. Hydrogen gas equal to the energy of 7 gallons of gas would take up a semi trailer!

How many psi do you think that plastic little jug is going to hold?

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-11-2007

Sooooo, after a years worth of tweaking and fine tuning, how's this working out for you?

**Halon** · 06-11-2007

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

tpunx99GSX · 06-11-2007

Pretty cool site, i wonder who they are in a legal battle with?

**Halon** · 06-11-2007

I would like to buy some of those magnets from them, and just put it in my pocket and walk around best buy!

**JET** · 06-11-2007

I actually saw a thing about the fusion reactor last night on Discovery. They had it up and running and actually started the fusion process and acheived plasma. They said the technology is still about 50 years out to make it stable though and viable.

Matt D. · 06-12-2007

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Pretty cool site, i wonder who they are in a legal battle with?

www.learn2read.com

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Originally Posted by www.switch2hydrogen.com

The legal action is due to the actions of the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) attempting to remove the necessary chemicals used in this system from public use.

Onefast99gsx · 06-12-2007

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Sooooo, after a years worth of tweaking and fine tuning, how's this working out for you?

Well the asshole who is selling them on ebay is making a killing on them. Don't waste your time and importantly, don't waste your money. It DOES clearly produce hydrogen but doesn't by any means produce enough liters per minute to make any substantial increases. It's junk.

You can't warn any of the bidders in the auction listings because the guy lists the bidders as private. He has like 600+ feeback ONLY because he does unrelated business also. I think he sells cycle parts.

So yeah.... I wasted my $100. Live & Learn

**Halon** · 09-16-2008

There's a guy that sits in the cube behind me that says he put some kind of electolysis into his Tauras. He said he has seen just shy of 10mpg increase. When he told me that, it just reminded me of this thread. I had to leave for Korea but when I get home I'm going to talk to him more about it.

Another guy that sits right next to me is going to do the same exact thing in his Metro and see if he sees any gains.

It's all still interesting to me.

Onefast99gsx · 09-16-2008

I'm the original author of this thread. I had the generator on my car for serveral months and didn't notice squat for mpg increase. In fact a couple of times, I actually got worse mpg. I since then took it off and haven't run it in over a year. These do indeed produce highly flammable H2 but just not enough liters per minute. I'm currently getting back into it. I'm working on the circuit that will help it. It will trick the MAF & O2 sensor. With that little black box & my Dsmlink, I hope to see plausable gains.

**1ViciousGSX** · 09-17-2008

SnAkE OiL for the masses.

Scrmegl · 09-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

I'm the original author of this thread. I had the generator on my car for serveral months and didn't notice squat for mpg increase. In fact a couple of times, I actually got worse mpg. I since then took it off and haven't run it in over a year...

It is nice to actually see a follow up to any of these type of threads.