Tough Lives

Jakey · 11-11-2004

Sometimes I see people bitching about the most irrelevant and stupid shit in their lives so when I see something like this I'd hope everyone can take a minute to read it: http://www.agriculture.com/default.s...x_html___52851

How would you like to be someone who's occupation is farming and watch soybean rust potentially approach your farm knowing you have no definite treatment available to save your crop?

Matt D. · 11-11-2004

That's gotta be an impossible thing to stop... It's not a pest or anything like that, it's a disease that is transmitted through the air and carried by the wind. Let's hope that it's a localized issue and doesn't spread further than the southeast US.

Jakey · 11-12-2004

Wow, only one response, always interesting...

I hope you're right about being contained to being a localized issue Matt.

CVD · 11-12-2004

"While Rick Dunkle, APHIS Deputy Administrator of Plant Protection and Quarantine, called the finding "concerning" he noted the timing is such that it is likely to have a minimal impact. Most commercial soybeans in the area have been harvested already."

"Costs for treatment in the US are estimated at $25/acre on average. That would represent a 15% increase in costs for those producers who are affected."

"So far three active ingredients have been approved for Section 18 emergency exemptions for use in treating Asian Soybean Rust: propiconazole (Tilt, Propimax, Bumper), myclobutanil (Laredo), and tebuconazole (Folicur)."

...not to be an ass, but I dont see the catastrophe.

Jakey · 11-12-2004

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Originally Posted by CVD

"While Rick Dunkle, APHIS Deputy Administrator of Plant Protection and Quarantine, called the finding "concerning" he noted the timing is such that it is likely to have a minimal impact. Most commercial soybeans in the area have been harvested already."

"Costs for treatment in the US are estimated at $25/acre on average. That would represent a 15% increase in costs for those producers who are affected."

"So far three active ingredients have been approved for Section 18 emergency exemptions for use in treating Asian Soybean Rust: propiconazole (Tilt, Propimax, Bumper), myclobutanil (Laredo), and tebuconazole (Folicur)."

...not to be an ass, but I dont see the catastrophe.

As of now I agree, there will not be anything happening yet this year. The soybean crop this year is fine but what about next year? What if it hasn't spread much by next spring but by next summer it may affect those producers who double crop beans and don't get their fields planted till late June/early July. The treatments above, from everything I have seen, do not guarantee 100% success. They only 'treat' the problem.

**Kracka** · 11-12-2004

Farmer's just like bitching about how tough life is. If you can't handle it sell your land to the large corporations. Other thing is, there are a lot of farmers out there making a ton of money and we of course never hear them bitching about things, and the last thing they'll do is go public with their large profits since then they will lose the sympathy of the average American idiot and actually have to price their items fairly.

Jakey · 11-12-2004

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Originally Posted by TalonTSiDude

Farmer's just like bitching about how tough life is. If you can't handle it sell your land to the large corporations. Other thing is, there are a lot of farmers out there making a ton of money and we of course never hear them bitching about things, and the last thing they'll do is go public with their large profits since then they will lose the sympathy of the average American idiot and actually have to price their items fairly.

The thing about something like Soybean rust is that in time, it will change everyone's production methods. It doesn't matter if you're are a 350 acre farmer in NE Iowa or a 12,000 acre farmer in Kentucky or a 45,000 acre farmer in South Dakota. Selling out to large corporations as a whole will not get anywhere. Granted one can argue that by selling out to large corporations, the large size of the corporations will allow them to pursue the most high-tech treatment methods but in the end, it still effects everyone. Soybean rust is on a whole different playing field compared to the high milk price discussion we had a while back.

santa · 11-12-2004

yeah that would suck. I wonder if that could spread to other kinda of crop's or what not? well have to wait and see.

**Halon** · 11-12-2004

I'm sorry, but is it wrong that I find this thread rather amusing? Sitting here debating on how bad shit is about to get because of dieing Soy? I would agree that I don't see how this is some sort of catastrophe or emergency.

ABV · 11-12-2004

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I'm sorry, but is it wrong that I find this thread rather amusing? Sitting here debating on how bad shit is about to get because of dieing Soy? I would agree that I don't see how this is some sort of catastrophe or emergency.

It's all relative. How many people on here thought the world was coming to an end when Mitubishi had all of it's recall problems, and Daimler backed out of the deal. Ok, now imagine that same feeling, but instead, you don't give two licks about some foreign car company, but your soy bean crops could be in danger. Like I said, it's all relative.

Jakey · 11-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Rockford

It's all relative. How many people on here thought the world was coming to an end when Mitubishi had all of it's recall problems, and Daimler backed out of the deal. Ok, now imagine that same feeling, but instead, you don't give two licks about some foreign car company, but your soy bean crops could be in danger. Like I said, it's all relative.

Thank you Mark!

Raptor · 11-12-2004

The comment about how many people responded is the only reason I am going to say anything. There are a million sad situations in this world, if you expect people to all react to everyone, you will be waiting for a long time. The farming industry is obviously important to you, good, you should be concerned, don't be annoyed that everyone else isn't. People choose their own paths and are somewhat in control of what happens to them and how they deal with it, if it is bad every year, they should get out of it. My dad farmed for 3 years, did real well for two, got destroyed the third by hail, was smart enough to get out and get into something else. There are plenty of bigger farmers that do well and as Chris mentioned, they aren't the ones complaining. Do you want to hear me complain everytime I hear from the doctor? Will it help? No. Do I let it bother me, definately not. If you have chosen your path and you complain about what is happening with it, then you really need to get a reality lesson. Even the few things we supposedly don't have control over, we do and that is by how we deal with them. The sooner people learn that and quit complaining about setbacks in life, the better everyone will be.

Raptor · 11-12-2004

And for the record, I do care, but I don't believe a big reaction is going to it is going to help. It only perpetuates Misery. The people who are capable of rectifying this are certainly aware of it and working on I am sure.

SlowWhite · 11-12-2004

This goes with that whole Fish issue, where those big ass Fish are working there way up from the south, and are wrecking all the rivers, etc. as well as killing people.

Meaning they eat plants that are vital to the echo system, and they kill people because they weight like 80lbs. and like to jump out of the water when they get scared and boats passing by is one of those things that scare them. And there's been several instances where people on jet ski's, etc have been knocked unconsious and died. It was in the News Earlier this Summer.

Jakey · 11-12-2004

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Originally Posted by SlowWhite

This goes with that whole Fish issue, where those big ass Fish are working there way up from the south, and are wrecking all the rivers, etc. as well as killing people.

Meaning they eat plants that are vital to the echo system, and they kill people because they weight like 80lbs. and like to jump out of the water when they get scared and boats passing by is one of those things that scare them. And there's been several instances where people on jet ski's, etc have been knocked unconsious and died. It was in the News Earlier this Summer.

Yep, definitely a similar situation along with the snakehead fish found in Lake Michigan. (At least I think that's where they were found)

tpunx99GSX · 11-12-2004

damn, no more soy milk..........

520Talon · 11-12-2004

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

damn, no more soy milk..........

or soy burgers. What will the vegans do?

1QUICK4 · 11-13-2004

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

damn, no more soy milk..........

Or Baco's/Bacon Bits

Jakey · 11-12-2004

The reason I brought up this topic originally was to hopefully stimulate some good discussion. I realize I say shit sometimes that I shouldn't and for that I apologize. The frustrating part about being an agricultural oriented person is watching agriculture in general be shunned upon by so many people because they are completely oblivious to what's going on around them.

*Please make note that in no way whatsoever am I referring to anyone who has posted in this thread.

**Halon** · 11-13-2004

I was just expecting something much worse because of the way it was described in the first post. I dunno, no one said to "Take a moment and reflect back to their problems when there are worse ones out there" when the mitsu problem came up. I mean ya obviouslly this is a problem, but when i first read this post, the last thing I was expecting was a story on dieing Soy