well my talon hates my evo III swap

TkrPerformance · 10-29-2006

well today after getting some more wire for the welder to do the heater air intake for the evo swap. the 2600 went out on the talon. I knew the t.b. was going out it was strating to make some noise but what I found when I got the tranny out insted of working on the mirage was this. also the back side tranny bolt broke in side of the tranny so I have to drill it out and retap it also

**JET** · 10-29-2006

I have seen so many discs do that. You would think they would make a little better design.

**Kracka** · 10-30-2006

Sucks man, sorry to hear that. This is one of the reasons I advise against ACT products.

dumb_ricer · 10-30-2006

And what brand of clutch do you condone?

From what I have seen/experienced, ACT makes a superior product to anyone else for a DSM. Yes, they do break, but not nearly as often as other brands it seems, and with how common ACT products are in DSM's, of course you will see more failures.

b00stcreep21 · 10-30-2006

That's what I did to my stocker back in the days of the honda. Is this a common problem w/ the ACT's?

**Kracka** · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by b00stcreep21

Is this a common problem w/ the ACT's?

Yes.

For DSM's I recomend certain clutches from Clutchmasters, Centerforce, Competition, and Southbend. Competition is a fairly new brand of clutches that is looking VERY promising.

TkrPerformance · 10-30-2006

this is the first on that has done this and it has been in the car for 3 years now

**Goat Blower** · 10-30-2006

You must have an older disc. I heard they fixed this problem with a revised disc design. I guess it's the price you pay, my clutch is going to PTT today.

niterydr · 10-30-2006

ACT for the win.
Its why we switched over to SBC and have had nothing but success.

tpunx99GSX · 10-30-2006

My disk had 3 springs and 3 rubber pieces, the rubber peices had been completly shredded. It was bad. So i replaced the disk with a stocker, its working fine now, i still have the ACT Pressure Plate on

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 10-30-2006

ACTs are perfectly fine. Talk to ACTman on some of the boards, he'll stand behind his clutches.

**Kracka** · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo

ACTs are perfectly fine. Talk to ACTman on some of the boards, he'll stand behind his clutches.

If he didn't he wouldn't have a job. I'm sure Fram engineers swear up and down about how great their products are too.

TkrPerformance · 10-30-2006

well at least now the clucth will work and I pulled the motor out today to fix the leaky oil pump.

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by S2kracka

If he didn't he wouldn't have a job. I'm sure Fram engineers swear up and down about how great their products are too.

Well I wonder why some people like to recommend stuff they've never personally used that is known to be "great".

**Kracka** · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo

Well I wonder why some people like to recommend stuff they've never personally used that is known to be "great".

I only recomend what I've personally tried.

A//// Guy · 10-30-2006

I used an 2600 for 10K+ and it wore away my pedal assembly and it also wouldnt engage because the fingers would not fully release. Replaced it for a southbend that held harder, and was more comfortable on my leg.

ACT have had nothing but problems, and if you look around on some of the dsm forums, you'll find the exact problem that happened in the first post.

92EvilTalon · 10-30-2006

Here is a new Napa disc that I had on my Talon awhile back. It sucks I walked up to Napa and was like look can I get a new disc. They gave me one. Eh...shit breaks...my next clutch be from ACT thats for sure....

dumb_ricer · 10-31-2006

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Originally Posted by M/// Guy

I used an 2600 for 10K+ and it wore away my pedal assembly and it also wouldnt engage because the fingers would not fully release. Replaced it for a southbend that held harder, and was more comfortable on my leg.

ACT have had nothing but problems, and if you look around on some of the dsm forums, you'll find the exact problem that happened in the first post.

I really don't want to get into clutches too much, but I tend to disbelieve your statement on holding harder AND being more comfortable on your leg. And how did the fingers not fully release? Could you explain what was blocking them from fully releasing? Of course you will see the same problem happening on other forums. When 90 percent of DSM's run ACTs, and your using a sprung hub that is for "street" use and make 500whp, you are going to run into problems, plain and simple. Find out the percentage of ACT problems to other clutch brand problems by amount of people using them, and see what failure rates are. Then talk.

Clutches cannot have a soft pedal effort and have a high clamp force on a clutch disk. It is NOT possible. Sure, you can move the "pivot" point on the fingers in or out a little bit, but not enough to be able to say it holds harder and is more comfortable on a leg. You can also use a different clutch disk material, which southbend seems to be doing with some success.

Seems to me like most people have gone wayyyyy faster on a ACT clutch in a DSM than any other clutch. Anything to disprove this theory?

Any exactly what vehicle did you use a "Competition" brand clutch in?

tim · 10-31-2006

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Originally Posted by dumb_ricer

Seems to me like most people have gone wayyyyy faster on a ACT clutch in a DSM than any other clutch. Anything to disprove this theory?

Says who? Lets see your proof on the whole fast dsm act clutch theory. They are good clutches, dont get me wrong, but you should post as much proof as you expect him to.

**Kracka** · 10-31-2006

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Originally Posted by dumb_ricer

Any exactly what vehicle did you use a "Competition" brand clutch in?

I assume this was directed towards me, I drove a Stage 2 Competition in a S2000; the pedal preasure was lighter than stock and it engaged nice and solid.

Of course people have gone faster using ACT, its b/c there are far more in use since they were pretty much the only clutch available until recently that could hold big power; this is simple statistics. IMO, using a lighter preasure plate with a higher friction coef. disc is a much better design than a heavy preasure plate with an OEM-style disc. Enough of this though, everyone has their own opinions regarding clutch choices and its probably been covered at least 20 times on this board. Everyone should use what they like, what they are comfortable with, and what they can afford.