S-afc Anyone?

1slowdsm · 07-30-2004

Hey guys, I'm planning on buying a few new mods on my car. I'm for sure getting the turbo-timer, but I'm still having second thoughts about the S-AFC. Does anyone have one and is it worth the money? I'm also getting the TurboXS RFL BOV if I get the S-AFC, so I can vent to Atmosphere. Some people said its a good upgrade, others said that its a waste of money. I'm waiting for my next paycheck to buy some new parts.

Khadgar · 07-30-2004

First, you don't /need/ a turbo timer, second, you don't need an AFC or any sort of fuel control unless you have other mods, how about a boost controller? An AFC will not allow you to vent to atmosphere without losing metered air, only a blow-thru setup will allow you to vent and not lose performance (before anyone gets started on venting, it affects everyones car differently.

It would also help if you list what you already have and what your goals are so someone can point you in the right direction.

john · 07-31-2004

Lets put it this way. You should get an SAFC before you get a turbo timer. An SAFC is a fuel controller used for tuning. It is not a upgrade you need to get right away. Start off with a k & n at checker and make your way up the list I showed you. If you are looking for that bov, I know a kid who may be willing to sell you his for pretty cheap. PM me if interested.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 07-31-2004

Turbo XS BOVs are crap and the AFC doesn't let you vent to atmosphere on a DSM.

1slowdsm · 08-02-2004

Oh yeah...my mods are:
K&N Filter
2.5" Apex N1 exhaust
2.25" catback piping (If curious why...ask me, its kind of dumb)
2.5" Punishment Racing Downpipe (pressbent... :headache

2.5" Punishment Racing Testpipe
Blitz BOV (currently off)
Autometer Phantom Boost Gauge
ACT 2100 Clutch
(Oh yeah, I forgot about these two)
TurboXS Standard Boost Controller (currently on and spikes at 15lbs and drops to about 13-14lbs)
TurboXS HPBC (going to be put on sometime, its a little weird to configure)

And I think thats it. What do you guys think my next mod should be? I'm trying to make my way down into the high 13's (atleast 13.99...haha) by the end of September. I was thinking about getting 3" all the way, but its kinda $$$...so I'll probably get that next Spring.

I thought the Turbo XS BOV was pretty good, I've never heard anything bad about them yet.

I thought I'd be better to get the Turbo-Timer before the S-AFC (if I get it anymore).

john · 08-02-2004

A turbo timer doesn't do anything for performance. Get your self a MBC, raise the boost to 15 PSI and you should run 13's. Other than a boost controller, I would get a fuel pump. You shouldn't have a problem with 13's.

The problem with the Turbo XS bovs are in the set screws. They leak air very easily. The screws are often lost also. I saw one that leaked at 3 psi.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 08-02-2004

You can 12s with the mods you have plus a boost controller on race gas. 13s should be no problem.

1slowdsm · 08-02-2004

I know the Turbo-Timer does nothing for performance, but I'm sick of waiting in the car for 30+ seconds after every drive. On the other hand, if I get an alarm...I'll have to wait for the Turbo-Timer to shut off before I can arm the alarm. Win/Lose situation for me.

Fuel Pump...I almost forgot about that one. That was suppose to one of my main upgrades, but I've lost track of it..haha.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 08-02-2004

You don't need to wait 30 seconds everytime after you drive the car. You only need to wait if you just got done boosting the car hard. If you just drove normally for a few blocks then you can shut it off right away. Letting the car idle, if you were just driving normally will only make the temps higher than if you just shut it off.

LightningGSX · 08-02-2004

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Originally posted by 1slowdsm@Aug 2 2004, 06:57 PM
On the other hand, if I get an alarm...I'll have to wait for the Turbo-Timer to shut off before I can arm the alarm.

No you don't.

1slowdsm · 08-02-2004

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Originally posted by ecoli@Aug 2 2004, 06:55 PM
You can 12s with the mods you have plus a boost controller on race gas. 13s should be no problem.

Twelves eh...I doubt that will happen with that I have. My current best time to date is:

14.4 seconds 1/4 mile at like 95mph

I let off the gas at last second to win during elimination round and still broke out. I was running 14.9, 15.2, 14.9, 15.2, and 14.7 all day. I was a little pissed offd

My 0-60 ft time sucked ***, it must be my 17" rims. I cant dump my clucth, I'd bog out. I have to slip the clutch to get a decent time.

1slowdsm · 08-02-2004

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Originally posted by LightningGSX+Aug 2 2004, 07:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LightningGSX @ Aug 2 2004, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-1slowdsm@Aug 2 2004, 06:57 PM
On the other hand, if I get an alarm...I'll have to wait for the Turbo-Timer to shut off before I can arm the alarm.

No you don't. [/b][/quote]
Wouldnt alarm cry if the turbo-timer was running while I turn the alarm on?

I know I dont always have to wait 30 seconds everytime, but I'm mostly driving on the highway...so I'm always having to wait the 30 seconds.

LightningGSX · 08-02-2004

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Originally posted by 1slowdsm@Aug 2 2004, 07:05 PM
Wouldnt alarm cry if the turbo-timer was running while I turn the alarm on?

Only if you have an amateur install it.

1slowdsm · 08-02-2004

How would you install an alarm to work with a Turbo-Timer? I need some tips before I actually do it. If I can get that to work well, then that'd be even better. It would then be a Win/Win for me!

1Fst14B · 08-02-2004

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You can 12s with the mods you have plus a boost controller on race gas.  13s should be no problem.

Twelves eh...I doubt that will happen with that I have. My current best time to date is:

14.4 seconds 1/4 mile at like 95mph

I let off the gas at last second to win during elimination round and still broke out. I was running 14.9, 15.2, 14.9, 15.2, and 14.7 all day. I was a little pissed offd

My 0-60 ft time sucked ***, it must be my 17" rims. I cant dump my clucth, I'd bog out. I have to slip the clutch to get a decent time.[/b][/quote]
people like this make DSM's look slow...

your car should run 12's on race gas. if not. you have problems

you have to slip the clutch to get a good launch...you cant just drop it....

1slowdsm · 08-02-2004

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Originally posted by 1Fst14B@Aug 2 2004, 07:27 PM
people like this make DSM's look slow...

Gosh, gotta make me look bad and all. Did I mention the STOCK turbo, intercooler, piping, engine, crappy cust. exhaust piping (the guy who did my exhaust knew nothing about Turbo cars, so he said that 2.5" or more would just be loud and a waste of money... :censored: )

Does race gas really push your car that much, I mean...I spent a few hundred bucks and you think I should be hitting 12's. When other talons/eclipses have over 5K invested in their car with 20G turbos, monster intercooler, standalone fuel management and etc. Obviously you dont know much. Breaking the 12's isnt that easy, man. If it were then with a few more pennies, I'd beat John Shephard and I'd have the record talon that is street legal....

I'm just pissed off about how you said that I make DSMs look slow....I'm not the slowest DSM around here. I dont lose to civics everwhere I go. Where's the respect around here. I let off the gas to win the round and I broke out still and I get dissed for it! You're suppose to be supporting a DSMer, not dissing.

john · 08-02-2004

He is just jealous that he cannot drive a DSM anymore. He ran 12.1 on the stock turbo. The reason you are running so slow is that you are still at stock boost. Raise the boost to 15 psi on pump and you can probly run 19 on race gas. There is a lot more power to be had on race gas.

I would say you NEED a mbc, then get a fuel pump, SAFC and dattalogger. Then you are set for 12's.

A//// Guy · 08-02-2004

Or are you ?

1slowdsm · 08-02-2004

I feel much better now that I'm not getting dissed.

I have a mbc, its the TurboXS Standard Boost Controller. I have the TurboXS HPBC also, but that one is a little harder to work with but is more accurate. I'll get the fuel pump before the end of this year. But the S-AFC, I thought it wasnt worth it? I'm still learning here, I'm no pro at racing or anything. I dont street race much, I rather go to the tracks to get the time slips. I know I could've gotten into the Low 14's atleast, but I broke out and lost and went home. A DataLogger, thats a must for next year...Thanks for the tips 92tsiawd84.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 08-02-2004

Both TurboSpoolinside and my girlfriend ran 12s on race gas with mod lists close to what you have now. Most people can't do it though. 13s shouldn't be too hard though.