Obama's History Lesson

[polishmafia]

"Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. The British and French, the Dutch and Spanish, to Mexicans, to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land," President Obama told the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...n_an_idea.html

Mexico came before America... who knew!?

[Kracka]

[A//// Guy]

Wow....

[Matt D.]

Mexico declared its independence on September 16, 1810. It was recognized on September 27, 1821.

The United States of America declared its independence in 1776.

Come on, Tom, explain this one.

Also, Spain conquered the Aztecs in the 1500s and ruled until Mexico's independence in 1821. Christopher Columbus discovered America in 1492, though Leif Ericson made his way to the Americas about 500 years prior.

[tpunx99GSX]

The way he spoke was mistaken, but only by calling them Mexicans. Mayans were here around 900 AD.
Aztecs were here much earlier than the US was established as a country of itself. But then again, It depends on what you call a country. Its not as if the aztecs knew the process of actually putting themselves on a map.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec#History
"The Nahua peoples began to migrate into Mesoamerica from northern Mexico in the 6th century. They populated central Mexico dislocating speakers of Oto-Manguean languages as they spread their political influence south. As the former nomadic hunter-gatherer peoples mixed with the complex civilizations of Mesoamerica, adopting religious and cultural practices the foundation for later Aztec culture was laid. During the Postclassic period they rose to power at such sites as Tula, Hidalgo. In the 12th century the Nahua power center was in Azcapotzalco, from where the Tepanecs dominated the valley of Mexico. Around this time the Mexica tribe arrived in central Mexico.
The true origin of the Mexicas is uncertain. According to their legends, the Mexica tribe place of origin was Aztlán. It is generally thought that Aztlán was somewhere to the north of the Valley of Mexico; some experts have placed it as far north as Southwestern United States.
Based on these codices as well as other histories, it appears that the Mexicas arrived at Chapultepec in or around the year 1248.[11]"

[A//// Guy]

LOL at tom defending this! Insane!! Makes me sick.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

The way he spoke was mistaken, but only by calling them Mexicans. Mayans were here around 900 AD.

The Mexicans today are not the Mayans from 1100 years ago. Millions of Mayans died in a smallpox outbreak in the 1500s from when Spain began conquering them. Today's Mexicans are almost entirely of Spanish decent.

Nice try.

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

The way he spoke was mistaken, but only by calling them Mexicans.

How is this defending what he said?

He said Mexicans were here before America. He was speaking to a Hispanic audience, not Mayans, Nahua, or Chupacabras.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

The Mexicans today are not the Mayans from 1100 years ago. Millions of Mayans died in a smallpox outbreak in the 1500s from when Spain began conquering them. Today's Mexicans are almost entirely of Spanish decent.

Nice try.

From same Wiki:
"Most modern day Mexicans (and people of Mexican descent in other countries) are mestizos, of mixed indigenous and European Spanish ancestry. During the 16th century the racial composition of Mexico began to change from one that featured distinct indigenous (Mexicas and members of the many other Mexican indigenous groups) and immigrant (mostly Spanish) populations, to the population composed primarily of mestizos that is found in modern day Mexico.

The Nahuatl language is today spoken by 1.5 million people, mostly in mountainous areas in the states of central Mexico. Local dialects of Spanish, Mexican Spanish generally, and the Spanish language worldwide have all been influenced, in varying degrees, by Nahuatl. Some Nahuatl words (most notably chocolate and tomato) have been borrowed through Spanish into other languages around the world.

Mexico City was built on the ruins of Tenochtitlan, making it one of the oldest living cities of the Americas. Many of its districts and natural landmarks retain their original Nahuatl names. Many other cities and towns in Mexico and Central America have also retained their Nahuatl names (whether or not they were originally Mexica or even Nahuatl-speaking towns). A number of town names are hybrids of Nahuatl and Spanish."

Im not defending his mistake. But i feel that he could have been clearer in his use of the term "Mexicans".
And Matt, at the time that Obama is speaking. there were still full blooded Aztecs in exhistance. Nice try right back to you.

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Im not defending his mistake. But i feel that he could have been clearer in his use of the term "Mexicans".

Well he didn't. Just showing you that your host for the NWO is a dumbass.

[Kracka]

Everyone play nice, keep it above the belt.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

And Matt, at the time that Obama is speaking. there were still full blooded Aztecs in exhistance. Nice try right back to you.

So that means if he was speaking about native indians here in the US then saying Americans would be proper?

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

So that means if he was speaking about native indians here in the US then saying Americans would be proper?

Saying native indians, or native americans? Because they are both wrong. Calling Native people Indians implies you are using Christopher Columbus' name for a people that he thought were from India, but was actually mistaken because they were on the soil we now call North America.
But then if you call them Native Americans you are implying that the country was named America before they got here, which is also not true.
You could call them by the Nation of their people (Ojibwa, Souix, Yaki, Apache etc.) But if you choose to group them all in one big pot, Native People would be the correct term.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Saying native indians, or native americans? Because they are both wrong. Calling Native people Indians implies you are using Christopher Columbus' name for a people that he thought were from India, but was actually mistaken because they were on the soil we now call North America.
But then if you call them Native Americans you are implying that the country was named America before they got here, which is also not true.
You could call them by the Nation of their people (Ojibwa, Souix, Yaki, Apache etc.) But if you choose to group them all in one big pot, Native People would be the correct term.

Do not come in here and be all politically correct just because your wife is not white. It's becoming painfully obvious that she is the sole reason you are even caring about any sort of political discussion on this site. Have some thoughts of your own for once.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Do not come in here and be all politically correct just because your wife is not white. It's becoming painfully obvious that she is the sole reason you are even caring about any sort of political discussion on this site. Have some thoughts of your own for once.

Its becoming painfully obvious that you know absolutly nothing about me. You are making stupid assumptions based on no facts what so ever. Regardless of my Wifes nationality, opinion, background whatever, that has no bearing on the arguement i just made.
But i think its funny that you felt that my comment completely ripped apart yours that you felt it necessary to state that it had to come from another source. Which it did not. It would be like saying "Matt, because the person that waited on you was mexican, that person must have been reason you posted xyz"
So in conclusion, please refrain from making any more idiotic posts like you just wrote assuming that you know anything about my life. Because it will cause me to make assumtions about your lifestyle and post them up.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Its becoming painfully obvious that you know absolutly nothing about me. You are making stupid assumptions based on no facts what so ever. Regardless of my Wifes nationality, opinion, background whatever, that has no bearing on the arguement i just made.
But i think its funny that you felt that my comment completely ripped apart yours that you felt it necessary to state that it had to come from another source. Which it did not. It would be like saying "Matt, because the person that waited on you was mexican, that person must have been reason you posted xyz"
So in conclusion, please refrain from making any more idiotic posts like you just wrote assuming that you know anything about my life. Because it will cause me to make assumtions about your lifestyle and post them up.

You capitalize "wife" (not a proper name) but not "Mexican"? I see how you are.

Good job beating around the bush in calling me a racist. Go ahead and make all the comments your heart desires about my lifestyle, but I promise it won't get you anywhere.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

You capitalize "wife" (not a proper name) but not "Mexican"? I see how you are.

Good job beating around the bush in calling me a racist. Go ahead and make all the comments your heart desires about my lifestyle, but I promise it won't get you anywhere.

Actually I wasnt even thinking racist. Interesting you would think that though.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Actually I wasnt even thinking racist. Interesting you would think that though.

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

It would be like saying "Matt, because the person that waited on you was mexican, that person must have been reason you posted xyz"

What was I supposed to think?! Don't bait me into a response and then claim innocence.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Its becoming painfully obvious that you know absolutly nothing about me. You are making stupid assumptions based on no facts what so ever. Regardless of my Wifes nationality, opinion, background whatever, that has no bearing on the arguement i just made.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Saying native indians, or native americans? Because they are both wrong. Calling Native people Indians implies you are using Christopher Columbus' name for a people that he thought were from India, but was actually mistaken because they were on the soil we now call North America.
But then if you call them Native Americans you are implying that the country was named America before they got here, which is also not true.
You could call them by the Nation of their people (Ojibwa, Souix, Yaki, Apache etc.) But if you choose to group them all in one big pot, Native People would be the correct term.

Tom, my wife is Native American, and so is her dad's entire side of the family. We go to pow-wow's a few times a year and all that shit. Native American and American Indian are both accepted names for their race. kthxbye.