Confederate flag, yes or no?

**Trogdor** · 06-23-2015

A lot of people have no idea what that flag actually stands for. People see that flag and immediately go "THAT STANDS FOR SLAVERY!" or here in MN guys with big lifted trucks think it stands for being a redneck.

What people don't realize is that it really represents states' rights. Now, granted the major state right that they were fighting for was the right to own slaves... But at its core, its the same debate we have today. How much power should a centralized government have vs. individual states.

Alpha D · 06-23-2015

^ obviously not enough people care for what it stands for at its core. The only thing attached to it is nothing but negative connotations so why have something like that, which clearly offends people not be removed. Do you want the Nazi flag hanging around everywhere if you were Jewish, or a Jehovah's witness, or polish what ever the case might be...because Hitlers idea of having a pure race that in his opinion is going to benefit everyone and should make for prosperous condition's, on top of that is a nations or segregated part of the country's right? I wouldnt think so. Having personal rights or state rights shouldn't be taken away, neither should others rights to feel happy or remain in a state of none agitation be jeopardized. Either find a different way that wont offend or forgo your own right in benefit of some one other then you, and they in theory should do the same. Its hard to please both sides but this one shouldn't even be an argument.

**Kracka** · 06-23-2015

We fly every other flag in the US, if people want to fly it, regardless of what they think it stands for, go ahead.

AwdGSX13 · 06-23-2015

It will be gone soon along with all the other things that people cry about these days. People's ignorance will win. Soon we will all be wearing helmets for our own "safety".

**Kracka** · 06-23-2015

If you're illegal and want to wave the Mexican flag after graduation on the taxpayers dime...yeah, that's OK.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/06/19...aduation-stage

But flying a flag your ancestors fought and died for? OFFENSIVE.

There is a cemetery in my neighborhood where both Union and Confederate soldiers are buried; all these men, regardless of side, deserve respect. I'm just glad all of them are still honored in a ceremony held every Memorial Day at the site.

SlowWhite · 06-23-2015

Ya this is a huge debate going on right now here as our gov. Wants to take it off the state house.

Personally I thought it was removed already a few years ago. But I guess not. Amd after the shooting in Charlestown, she wants to remove it.

But like posted above and also by my wife. The confederate flag wasnt about slavery.
People here always says its about the heritage here. Its still on license plates everywhere.

And there are slogans you see on cars constantly here that state.
"heritage not hate"
And I would also tend to think that alot of the people complaining also dont know what it stood for (like myself personally) I always assumed you see the confederate flag. I just associated it with people who probably were in the kkk or something. But was put in my place the first time this topic got brought up here at work.

**Kracka** · 06-23-2015

One of the biggest problems in this country right now: It's easier to get offended by something than it is to actually educate yourself on a topic at hand.

tehehodi · 06-23-2015

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Originally Posted by Kracka

One of the biggest problems in this country right now: It's easier to get offended by something than it is to actually educate yourself on a topic at hand.

Dis homie! QFT.

Also, lets raise the tuition on students as well who want that education!

**Halon** · 06-23-2015

Women who fart offend me. Please ban them, k thanks.

curt_gendron · 06-24-2015

The Confederate flag is a symbol. And regardless of what the original meaning of the Confederate flag is, you have to look at what that symbol means to people in today's world. All symbols change and evolve over time. You have to look at this symbol and decide what it means to society today.

Any educated person knows that its the battle flag for the Confederate army. But its pretty naive of any of us to only think of a symbol like this in its original meaning. This symbol has evolved over the last 150 years. For thousands of racists and bigots, this symbol has a hate filled meaning. And a lot of other people recognized this symbol for that meaning.

When I was in my high school typing class in 1987 and I used the shift key and the number 3 I got a pound sign. In today's world that "symbol" is called a hash tag.

later,
Curt

**Kracka** · 06-24-2015

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Originally Posted by curt_gendron

All symbols change and evolve over time. You have to look at this symbol and decide what it means to society today.

True, take the triple diamonds for example.

1990's:

Today:

curt_gendron · 06-24-2015

Ouch. That is harsh. I still look at DSMs the same way as I did in 1997. What bugs me about DSMs today is how these punk ass kids who think "DSM" means any Mitsubishi car that looks sporty. They have no concept of what a car platform is and how DSM is a "symbol" of a particular platform.

**Halon** · 06-24-2015

Doesn't matter, that's how the symbol has changed. So we must all refer to you as a DSMer now because the times have changed. See you at the DSM meet next week

**Kracka** · 06-24-2015

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See you at the DSM meet next week

Oh, the one at Culver's?

**Halon** · 06-24-2015

Yeah, the Upper Midwest DSM meet that Curt brings one of his DSM's from his DSM collection to.

curt_gendron · 06-24-2015

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Yeah, the Upper Midwest DSM meet that Curt brings one of his DSM's from his DSM collection to.

LOL. At least with the improper use of the term DSM, its still in the minority and usually people who stick around the car world long enough figure it out. And I'm going to do my part to make sure this term doesn't "evolve."

AJ · 06-24-2015

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Originally Posted by Kracka

True, take the triple diamonds for example.

1990's:

Today:

so damn true.

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-24-2015

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Originally Posted by curt_gendron

LOL. At least with the improper use of the term Confederate flag, its still in the minority and usually people who stick around the educated world long enough figure it out. And I'm going to do my part to make sure this term doesn't "evolve."

I re-worded Cur's post to reflect the reality of it.

It's the same for the Confederate flag,........ We keep letting minority opinions dictate our world. Education goes a long way, but these days that's part of the problem. To me the Confederate flag is about southern pride, nothing more. I don't have one, I don't want one, but I respect other peoples rights to fly one if they want to. The Confederate flag harms no one.

Prediction:

Won't be long before the American flag is deemed "racist", just wait. What then?

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-24-2015

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Originally Posted by Kracka

True, take the triple diamonds for example.

1990's:

Today:

That's funny shit right there!