New Orleans the next Atlantis???

niterydr · 09-01-2005

Seriously, they can't get in there to fix the levee's, and they can't start pumping water until the levee's are fixed. They can't start fixing the 'leaks' because the army corp engineers can't find materials easily, due to the storm blowing it all over the place. Plus the rescue efforts are so intense that there are very few avenues available for transit.
Lets not forget about the looting, gangs, 50,000-60,000 people out in front of the superdome, the gators all over the city, oh yeah, how about mosquito's? They love water, and the west nile virus is known to be down there.
They are saying this is the most deadly and costly storm in us history since the earthquake of 1906.
Discuss...

Matt D. · 09-01-2005

The mosquitos will breed in the contaminated water, only increasing the spread of disease, both from water to humans to animals to... You get the picture.

A friend of mine works at a trucking company, which isn't small by any means, his uncle is the owner. Just this morning his uncle was showing signs of worrying about the company's future, and already has word of smaller shipping company's closing down already due to fuel costs.

Onefast99gsx · 09-01-2005

It's bad people! I watch the news from the time i get home and until bed. This matter cannot be taken lightly. The mayor said that thousands are to be found dead now. Most everything is so water logged now that it's total destruction. You have up to 1 million people in the surrounding areas homeless. Many have been taken to the Astrodome, but they simply cannot house all these people. And for how long a period of time? Where do they go? What about the psychological effects of it? The diseases are likely to break out if they haven't already.

We spend billions of dollars on other crap and give it away to other countries and when it comes to something like this, we sit. It's been 4 days now and these people aren't going anywhere soon. They're shooting at the rescue helicopters. I think it's time to focus on our own American soil than Iraq Mr. Bush. We have thousands upon thousands of US troops in Iraq, thousands heading down to New Orleans, our Energy system has been comprimised and devastated, we're beginning to tap from the reserves. You know how volnerable that makes this country if North Korea or China wanted to attack us? Who is to say that terrorists aren't planning on something to happen in the very near future.

DSMPARTSGURU · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by niterydr

Seriously, they can't get in there to fix the levee's, and they can't start pumping water until the levee's are fixed. They can't start fixing the 'leaks' because the army corp engineers can't find materials easily, due to the storm blowing it all over the place. Plus the rescue efforts are so intense that there are very few avenues available for transit.
Lets not forget about the looting, gangs, 50,000-60,000 people out in front of the superdome, the gators all over the city, oh yeah, how about mosquito's? They love water, and the west nile virus is known to be down there.
They are saying this is the most deadly and costly storm in us history since the earthquake of 1906.
Discuss...

how do you have time to worry about that while trying to run your shop? thats what I would like to know....

chris

cudvig · 09-01-2005

the oil reserves wont matter too much... honestly. Plus Why would anyone be hating on our president right now? whoever hates on any president, i would love for them to do his job. Its gotta be hard as hell to do that.

-Colin

Pimpin Dsmstyle · 09-01-2005

I think the matter is a little bigger than Josh working at the shop. Even if he is still contantly working, he can still be thinking at the same time.

As for hating on the president. Who cares what anyone thinks? If he wants to dig into bush, let him. I am with Bush and I agree with 99gsx. Something needs to give here.

AJ · 09-01-2005

I'm gonna toss in some of my thoughts.

In all reality I don't think any of us can truely understand what these people are going through. For those who's house didn't wash away 90% will have to be torn down due to flood damage. EVERYTHING that supports the basic life system has to be rebuilt. Gas Stations, Jobs, Hotels, Roads, Cars are totaled, ect ect... Pets gone, Animals in Zoos washed away, months before water can get out and some have said a year beofre building coudl actually begin. Oil and other hazardous materials that will prove to me another huge impactng factor in long term stability.

Many feel this was it, this is where people that did have insurance will collect when time allows and leave the area for good. While others with no insurance will take the loss and never live the same again. It's going to cost everyone. It's hitting everyone. One of the new guys at work found out his son lost everything and his wife is still looking for some of her family. Brett Farve has family that also lost everything. So in reality this is the big one, one that people can't just be singled out as effetcing those the area. Many think it's only a matter of time till body count really starts to add up and possibly surpass even 9/11.

The HIstory of the area has been destroyed.

The one thing that just pisses me off is the looting. There are 2 types of people looting down there. The first is for survival. I am in FULL support of getting into sotres for clothing, shoes, water, canned goods, ect ect. Stuff to make life, or what's left of it, a little eaiser for them at this time till stability is put somewhat back into place. The second are these mothers fuckers looting casino groudns for money, taking guns from wal mart, going after items found near jewerly stores and other material items. These people need to be shot on site. They don't seserve to live and now it's gotten so bad that the government has almost stopped rescue efforts to put law back and stop looters. Complete waste of resources.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 09-01-2005

It's good to see how well they respond to a large scale disaster that they knew was going to happen. It was only a matter of time before this happened to New Orleans and they watched the storm go right towards the city for a few days. What would happen if there was some sort of major terrorist event involving a small nuclear device or a dirty bomb that affects an entire metro area(not just a few blocks like in NYC)? Would they sit around for a month in bureaucracy try to figure out what to do, since most of their military resources are over in Iraq and most of the personnel in the affected area are already dead or injured already.

They will probably just rebuild and get hit again sometime, just like they do in Florida. The sad part is that hurricane activity historically goes in cycles and we are just barely into a cycle of increased and more violent hurricane activity that can last for decades.

AJ · 09-01-2005

And I agree. Fuck the war. Bring our people home to help those in need on our own soil.

A//// Guy · 09-01-2005

I totally agree with Ecoli. Why did alot of people sit around for a week until the last minute? I know people hoped it would get smaller or turn around? Seriously though it was a huge storm heading right for them.

I agree though there isnt enough happening as far as support and troops but everyday hundreds of people die in the war in Iraq and thats just as important as a hurricane that killed lots of people that had plenty of warning.

I hope they dont rebuild because it is a huge waste and a huge risk that can happen over and over...

Onefast99gsx · 09-01-2005

Thanks Pimpin and thanks to Shane and DSMstyle for thier great comments. I watched again at lunch and i just don't have the words to even write a big paragraph. Some of these people only have a few days left in them if that. They showed dead bodies laying outside the dome, trash everywhere, violence. There is human feces inside and outside the dome everywhere. Kids are balling. An old lady was sitting there matting her face with a wet hanky. She looked maybe 75. Looked like she had a day or two left in her. Starving and thirst is one thing but can you imagine the psychological effects of this. This has become a disaster beyond belief. These people have nowhere to go. Unlike the WTC incident, you could go a few blocks from the WTC and business would be pretty much normal. This however is miles upon miles of area that is in total disaster. If anyone ever saw the movie with Kurt Russell, "Escape from New York", it reminds me of that. All of Manhattan became a prison. It was everyone for themselves. Once you get in, you don't get out.

I don't mind people for nagging on me for complaining about our President. But we can't be policing the entire world right now in a crisis like this. The Iraqi soldiers have to fend for themselves. Our intial mission was to get Sadaam out of power. Now that he's out of power we can't keep coming up with new missions just to stay in the country. We have alot of soldiers over there, probably over 200,000(i don't know). It sounds like the director of Homeland security is gonna call upon the U.S. military to help contain the situation down there. This scares me. Many of our troops in 2 locations, Iraq and Lousianna. What a great opportunity for another attack on our soil when we're tied up elsewhere. Us Americans can't handle this, the American economy surely can't handle this. I really think they're at a point where they just plain don't know what to do about this situation. I can't help but getting involved in it. It affects all of us in some way another.

**JET** · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Onefast99gsx

Us Americans can't handle this, the American economy surely can't handle this. I really think they're at a point where they just plain don't know what to do about this situation. I can't help but getting involved in it. It affects all of us in some way another.

Speak for yourself. Some of us don't get nearly as bent out of shape about these things. You are getting wrapped up in the media drama. They make things look even worse than they are to get you to watch 24/7....just like you are. Yes, this is a huge disaster. They knew they lived below sea level, there was a huge ass hurricane coming, yet they stayed there.

It is horrible, but think about the number of people this is affecting compared to the US population. It is about .3% of the population, 80% of those left willingly, so we are at .06% of the US population that was there when the storm hit. Many of those got out after the storm hit. So the number of lives at stake aren't all that huge. Many of the people left were very poor or elderly. I will sound like an asshole for saying this, but the US economy won't miss them.

Now the real impact is what to do about all the business' that are under water and a million homeless people. Most of those people have family they will be able to stay with until they get back on their feet. The economy down there is definately going to take a blow. I am guessing New Orleans won't even be rebuilt. It was sinking before, and now that the ground it water logged, it will go even faster. Everything there is going to be shot. I say have the insurance companies rebuilt the city just up the river from where it was and start over.

AJ · 09-01-2005

I agree in some terms with what Jet said about those that stayed. Frankly it's Darwin taking over. I know some coudln't, but those that said "I thought it would pass, or it didn't seem like it would be this bad" obviously didn't have a full understanding on why the rest of the CITY got out of town.

Also, and I may be a huge ass for saying this but why is the focus always on the elderly? When I think about saving people in need I think about children and your middle age'd adults with the streth and ability to continue to be a contribution and help out once they are safe. I think of saving those who will continue to be a part in building up the future for the children. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really saying they need to skip all the elders but I don't believe in passing others up to get to the elderly first. It's just a thought.

Clinton and Bush (the older one

) are now heading up the fundraising again as they did with help for the tsunami. Great move. Love'm or Hate'm they did their job last time. I am sure with all the chairty events coming up this weekend andin the next few weeks the US public sector will prove once again why they are the richest i the world, and not just in dollar amt terms. I work for a Billion Dollar company and we got word that they are setting up contribution funds and will nto only match but go beyond. No figure set yet from what we where told. There was also a telethon in MN last night I guess that already raise over 90k. It's just too bad 90k is just a very small % of the damage done and the help needed.

Personally if all I have to deal with is gas prices going up to continue to live a comfortable life then so be it. I can live with that, cause at least I get to live a normal life still.

Onefast99gsx · 09-01-2005

I so much hope that they are blowing the entire thing out of proportion. All i know is that you have several hundred thousand people homeless, jobless, unable to buy food if they even had a home. New Orleans is large poverty area. Many of these people don't have family throughout the U.S. they can even goto. If most these people were illegal aliens i would hardly give a rats ass but most of them are legal Americans that were devastated by a storm that they didn't ask for. I don't have to watch the media or hear news reports of whats going. I can't even imagine what they are going through nor do i want to. We goto work everyday, go to lunch, go home, eat supper, watch TV, kick back, sleep comfortably, etc... These Americans have absolutely nothing left to return to. Everything they had whether value or invaluable was taken from them, in some situations- family members. Just because it didn't happen in my state and thankfully to a friend or relative of mine, it still affects me because i'm a hearted American.

Onefast99gsx · 09-01-2005

Quote: (DSMSTYLE) "Personally if all I have to deal with is gas prices going up to continue to live a comfortable life then so be it. I can live with that, cause at least I get to live a normal life still."

Right on... I sat outside my house at lunch on this wonderful weathered day listening to the tv thru the window, cat walking all around me

and i thought, "We have it pretty good right now."

**JET** · 09-01-2005

I agree that they didn't do much to deserve it. They lived in a city that is 10 feet UNDER sea level though. Who in their right mind would suck a lake dry with pumps and then try to live there?? Granted that isn't how it happened, but it ended up being the same thing. The place is sinking anyway, let it go.

They are now talking about moving back in within 1-2 months...morons.

AJ · 09-01-2005

Watching CNN right now. Today as they are trying to get people out of one hospital to another with more supplies and equipment a group of people took some sniper fire. People are litterally pinned down in some areas. My God.

dsm10sec · 09-01-2005

I only have one thought. Why was nothing preventative done in the first place? We knew this was coming and Bush sat there and said Lets go to Iraq for oil instead of focussing on our homeland. I heard on AM1500 that the govt. knew it was coming and the planning for this disaster was pushed back many times, and was 10 years in the queue of shit to work on. I have family down there and it really pisses me off that we knew it would happen, but did nothing. The water pumps and piping down there have been changed or touched since the 1950s WTF is wrong with the government. Stupid ignorant fucks.

Sorry, I just needed to vent. My cousin lost his house and business, he has NOTHING except insurance, (whenever the hell the checks are going to be given out) family, and what little money he had in the bank (which by no means is enough to restart his or his family's lives).

CVD · 09-01-2005

I agree with JET. Having some compassion is ok but the sky isnt falling.

If a bunch of 3rd world countries were able to handle the tsunami without falling apart I think we'll manage a hurricane.

Jebus.

CVD · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by dsm10sec

I only have one thought. Why was nothing preventative done in the first place? We knew this was coming and Bush sat there and said Lets go to Iraq for oil instead of focussing on our homeland. I heard on AM1500 that the govt. knew it was coming and the planning for this disaster was pushed back many times, and was 10 years in the queue of shit to work on. I have family down there and it really pisses me off that we knew it would happen, but did nothing. The water pumps and piping down there have been changed or touched since the 1950s WTF is wrong with the government. Stupid ignorant fucks.

Sorry, I just needed to vent. My cousin lost his house and business, he has NOTHING except insurance, (whenever the hell the checks are going to be given out) family, and what little money he had in the bank (which by no means is enough to restart his or his family's lives).

You know what pisses me off? Is that the PEOPLE down there knew it would happen and they expected the GOVERNMENT to bail their asses out!!