Drop the freaking wrench already!

Raptor · 05-13-2005

Just because you can read a little and have the basic idea of where things go in an engine, does not mean you should attempt building one. I am in the middle of double checking the assembly work of some fellow DSMer who lucky for them I don't know the identity of. ARP Moly does not go on the bearings! Niether does the vaseline or whatever the hell that is on the rods. It isn't assembly lube or lubriplate. ARP mains don't go in a stock motor and also there is a reason there are two different torque specs for oil and ARP lube on the studs, notice however there isn't one spec for using both so don't. I swear this person added the two specs together and went to town. Way too tight. And when you do figure out what to use for assembly lube, put some on the thrust surfaces as well, never know, it might be a good idea.

If you can identify with any of these things, drop the wrench until you can at least watch someone or get a helping hand from someone who has done it a time or two. It will save you a bit of money.

Okay, I feel better now.

AJ · 05-13-2005

LOL, it was me! What are you doing checking that 1.8 motor I was secretly building! That's my skill set

Shotgun! · 05-13-2005

That's great! I can atleast follow directions. This sounds like the hot street setup for sure, costum no doubt.

StealthGST · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Just because you can read a little and have the basic idea of where things go in an engine, does not mean you should attempt building one. I am in the middle of double checking the assembly work of some fellow DSMer who lucky for them I don't know the identity of. ARP Moly does not go on the bearings! Niether does the vaseline or whatever the hell that is on the rods. It isn't assembly lube or lubriplate. ARP mains don't go in a stock motor and also there is a reason there are two different torque specs for oil and ARP lube on the studs, notice however there isn't one spec for using both so don't. I swear this person added the two specs together and went to town. Way too tight. And when you do figure out what to use for assembly lube, put some on the thrust surfaces as well, never know, it might be a good idea.

If you can identify with any of these things, drop the wrench until you can at least watch someone or get a helping hand from someone who has done it a time or two. It will save you a bit of money.

Okay, I feel better now.

lol, well I'm glad you're on the case

Shotgun! · 05-13-2005

wait, was this built by a local guy?

tpunx99GSX · 05-13-2005

mike accidently left a toenail clipper in his diaper last night so hes in a bad mood. LOL JK.
How do you not know whos engine you are building? did they leave it on your doorstep with a note saying "Fix me"

Raptor · 05-13-2005

I know who did the machining, I don't know who assembled it. I just know it was a somewhat local kid.

Raptor · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

mike accidently left a toenail clipper in his diaper last night so hes in a bad mood. LOL JK.
How do you not know whos engine you are building? did they leave it on your doorstep with a note saying "Fix me"

Funny bitch.

The engine was sold twice without being finished. The build sheet was passed along, but the question of who assembled it was never answered. It wasn't a shop, that much I know for sure. The machine work all looks fine, I will know more when I check the clearances, but the assembly was done by someone that obviously shouldn't have.

Silly truth is, I do occasionally get parts dropped at my door with notes right along those lines

JustROLLIN · 05-13-2005

Wow, sounds like a rock solid bottom end to me. I dunno what you are bitching about. Everyone knows old tranny oil is the best assembly lube.

xluciusx · 05-13-2005

Thats probly what would happen if I tried to put a complete engine together...cept that I wouldn't try to do it myself cuz I know that it would just be plain stupid to do!

EclipseGST · 05-13-2005

LMAO! ARP moly as lube. What could be better?!? Gotta love the newbies. I have done some pretty stupid things before but damn, how can you be that stupid? This isnt small engines class in highschool anymore where your messing with $50 motors. Some people need to get a clue!

1QUICK4 · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Raptor

I know who did the machining, I don't know who assembled it. I just know it was a somewhat local kid.

LMAO, wasn't me dude!

unreal808 · 05-13-2005

The person who assembled the engine, also has his positve AMP wire running out the hood and thru the door jam with no fuse. The same person is also driving around with a Vise-Grip on the brake line because it was leaking. The same person has to twist wires together to make things work in the car.

Swifty1638 · 05-13-2005

..and drives with a BIG wing on the rear, even though the car came with a molded stock wing! Well, it's time for me to go out and beat up on some other cars..ttyl!

-A. Swift

**Kracka** · 05-14-2005

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Originally Posted by unreal808

The person who assembled the engine, also has his positve AMP wire running out the hood and thru the door jam with no fuse. The same person is also driving around with a Vise-Grip on the brake line because it was leaking. The same person has to twist wires together to make things work in the car.

Stop talking about me!!! You know what, fuck you guys at least I tried.

Oh wait, nope wasn't me.....my mistake

But hey, at least they didn't use peanut butter as assembly lube *cough* NASCAR *cough*.

SlowWhite · 05-14-2005

Well I'm sure who evers engine that belongs to is going to feel a lot better knowing that you checked it over.

StealthGST · 05-14-2005

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Originally Posted by SlowWhite

Well I'm sure who evers engine that belongs to is going to feel a lot better knowing that you checked it over.

Yeah, that would be my engine... and no I didn't build it

Matt D. · 05-14-2005

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Originally Posted by S2kracka

But hey, at least they didn't use peanut butter as assembly lube *cough* NASCAR *cough*.

I'd love to hear the story of how you learned that.

Raptor · 05-14-2005

Excellent, I decided I better pull the head off and check the pistons and ring gaps etc, considering the bottom end of this thing. Glad I did, First thing I notice is all the ARP's backing out, after that, pull the head off and see all the pistons sitting 180 out, in other words backwards. Some people may not think that matters a lot, but I assure you it does. The Piston pins are offset to one side, it effects quite a bit. Most obvious would be piston slap and wear. Also incorrect TDC to the valve timing events etc. Then there is a distinct lack of any lubrication on the cylinder wall, they are completely dry. The ring gaps are a little loose on the first ring, but tollerable, the second ring is exactly the same which is not tollerable. Along with a few other stupid things like the presence of an un-identified grainy substance in the cylinders (possibly from a cylinder hone) and of course the ring gaps being all lined up nicely. The importance of that has been in debated for years, some claim it doesn't matter some say it does, I can see arguments for both sides and likely it doesn't matter since the rings are completely free to rotate in whatever way they choose, I of course still take the extra time to put them in a nice staggered way. If it helps great, it can't hurt. Either way, this person should not have assembled an engine. Not a cheap one, expensive one or otherwise.

FattyBoomBatty · 05-14-2005

ok, i'll admit it. it was me. i mean, when i put the g54b together, i didn't use any "lube" i just poured oil down the hatch and cranked 'er about 10 or 12 times before plugging in the coil wire. she started right up.

but i've got great compression, i think it's in the 65-70 psi range.

mike, didn't you know? if you reverse the pistons it reduces torque transfer?