15 states with petitions to secede

[Kracka]

http://www.examiner.com/article/15-s...nited-states-1

Texas is only a few thousand signatures away from being put in front of the Obama administration for consideration (to which they'll obviously deny).

[A//// Guy]

Hahahaha

[Alpha D]

I am very politically neutral....but wow this sounds pretty intense....LOL! Despite the fact they have many more signatures to go...my question is...what is if their is enough, radical people vs the ones that do not want to secede from the Nation....would they have to move out of the state? Seems like a bad joke, with some serious fire power hahaha...

[Trogdor]

[Goat Blower]

Yeah, just because a few people file a petition, doesn't make it a real movement. Texas on the other hand has been at this a while, and probably has the resources to do it. Just think, a total free enterprise system. A ton of businesses and entrepreneurs would probably move there and it would probably be pretty successful, until the fed stuck their hand out because so much tax revenue would go away.

[polishmafia]

So if I want to drive across the country, I will pass in and out of the USA and the "yet to be named" USA about 18 times.

That makes for an interesting map!

[Alpha D]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Ha . . . . . . . . . !

[Kracka]

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...rld&id=8883599

Can't wait to see the White House's response to Texas since the required 25k signatures have been collected

Obviously it's not going to happen, but it does send a message.

[rose0529]

Not trying to get involved. but i just wanted to comment, that I'm suprised it only took 25k votes to get it to the president, that is only .1% of the population of Texas. (per wikipedia's 2011 est of 25,674,681 people)

*edit
per the link below there are 68,000 votes currently . .27% of the population.

[Kracka]

Here is a more level-headed article: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...house-website/

[Goat Blower]

I think it'll be the other way around, all the jobs will be in TX. The other 49 will be employed by the gub'mt.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

I think it'll be the other way around, all the jobs will be in TX. The other 49 will be employed by the gub'mt.

You are grossly uninformed.

Originally Posted by http://voices.yahoo.com/article/9776067/secession-us-constitution-consequences-11877496.html?cat=37

But, if Congress did agree to a peaceful secession, it would open up a whole new can of worms. Conservatives claim that we'll all be better off without "BIG GOVERNMENT", but what would happen to all of the federal property in the seceding states?

The national parks, monuments, historic sites, federal buildings, post offices, military installations, prisons, veterans hospitals, and other property comprises millions of acres of prime real estate, as well as buildings and furnishings. Do you think the federal government would just let that property go? Shouldn't the states have to pay the U.S. government for it? Where would they get that much money?

The states would lose all of their federal funds for welfare, food assistance, housing, utilities, education, and other public benefits programs. College loans and grants, small business aid, farm subsidies, disaster assistance, FHA and VA mortgages, food and drug inspection, FDIC insurance on consumers' bank deposits, first responder grants, conservation services, interstate highways, environmental protections, civil and workers' rights, and all of the other federal benefits would vanish immediately.

That would cause state unemployment rates to rise drastically because all of the former federal employees in the states would be unemployed overnight. And that ripple effect would generate more unemployment in those communities. Would the states fund those unemployment benefits? How would they absorb that many more unemployed people? What would happen to those families?

The states would have to create their own post offices, currencies, passports, regulatory agencies, international relations and defense frameworks, public benefits, transportation, infrastructure, and other systems. How long would you be willing to wait for your state legislature to sort all of that out?

What would happen to any citizens who didn't want to secede? Would they have to move to a non-seceding state? Would they still be American citizens? What would happen to their property?

[A//// Guy]

Exactly.. if any of that happened, there would be mass chaos.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...rld&id=8883599

Can't wait to see the White House's response to Texas since the required 25k signatures have been collected

Obviously it's not going to happen, but it does send a message.

BTW, the white house will respond with the following "The president does not have power to approve or deny secession, its in the constitution if you would actually read beyond the second amendment"

[JET]

7 petitions now have the required 25k votes. Here is Minnesota's:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nment/bzct9Ypl

Still a long ways to go for us.

[Kracka]

Minnesota needs to figure out how voter precincts work first before worrying about something as complex as becoming their own nation

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...tcmp=obnetwork

[Shane@DBPerformance]

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[Kracka]

It's not like our federal government enforces immigration laws. My guess is a lot of these illegals like being non-citizens since they don't have to pay taxes, yet can still take advantage of some social services.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

It's not like our federal government enforces immigration laws. My guess is a lot of these illegals like being non-citizens since they don't have to pay taxes, yet can still take advantage of some social services.

where are you steering this conversation? please stay on topic.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

I think he is referencing something I accidentally posted and then I tried to delete.