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A//// Guy
01-25-2005, 10:54 PM
Yea Im puzzled about the loss of oil. Didnt get under the car to check for that as it was in the street. I just dont know about that.

The starter can still spin the engine, I couldnt turn it past a certain point because I didnt have much leverage. BUT the main thing is that the cams didnt rotate, which means the timing belt did slip and now only the crank spins.

I dont think the engine is seized, it turned a litle bit for me, and that is probably becuase it stopped on the valves that are to far down.

You are positive you checked the oil right before he drove it away from the sale? Hey and why did you give me a bad reputation? Someone did between a couple hours ago and now. ;)

slowbubblecar
01-25-2005, 11:04 PM
If the crank spins, the block is not shot since it would be seized up. Did the motor turn a 1/4 of a turn with the wrench? Does the starter spin the block?

A//// Guy
01-25-2005, 11:10 PM
Yea its a smart idea to keep spinning the starter... We dont know if anything is salvagable, so if we know the t belt is junk now, then why not just take it all apart and then see the damage, versus trying to start it and ruining more shit.

About the block, if the pistons are destroyed then the block is ok... The pistons might be dead if they are hitting the valves. If the starte spins the bottom end then that leads me to assume having no oil was not the problem, becuase why would the t belt slip then?

It doesnt really matter now, I dont think he will fix that car, I advised him to get rid of it becuase it will just be a money pit down the road, and he would rather fix his conquest. Those impulse buys really get you in the end ;)

slowbubblecar
01-25-2005, 11:20 PM
The motor could have temporarily seized causing the t belt to over run the pully thus rip the teeth off the belt. Try pouring oil in the car and see if the block turns with the starter and that will tell you if the block is seized up. If the t belt is the only problem, bent valves aren't a huge issue. John has repaired 2 cars with less than 200 in parts including paying ryan or john to put the belt on. The car was assembled fine. A person with timing belt experience put the belt on and set the tension and everything. He has done it a few times for us.

Kracka
01-25-2005, 11:29 PM
If the t belt is the only problem, bent valves aren't a huge issue.

Ummm, yes it is. Especially if you just bought the car and don't have a whole lot of mechanical knowledge. AT THE VERY LEAST he is looking at a complete timing belt job, a rebuilt head with new valves and guides, and some new pistons. Yikes :o

A//// Guy
01-25-2005, 11:31 PM
Yea thats great but it doesnt help this guy any... How is he supposed to do all that. I wouldnt waste oil or time turning the engine over. He said that the started will sit there and spin, which to me means either the start broke and is just spinning (not likely) or the whole bottom end spins freely and already destroyed the valves therefore if you keep spinning your only hashing up the cylinders and ruing more stuff.

It obviosuly needs to be taken apart so why inflict more damage? I dont get it...

Raptor
01-26-2005, 01:16 AM
I am not getting in the middle of this, you guys can throw ideas back and forth all day long as to what is wrong and what it will take to fix. I will say this, troubleshooting the problem is easily done by a decent mechanic. Fixing it depends on what all is found. A block that turns over isn't always good. Spun bearings keep oil from reaching inteded areas etc. If you assume the bottom end is good without checking for proper oil flow, spend the money to fix the head and timing belts etc, you are throwing good money after bad. Do not fix anything until you know the extent of the damage and speculating does no one any good. Bad advice is expensive and poor testing procedures can cause additional damage as Peter mentioned. Get a decent mechanic to look at it if you decide you need it fixed, otherwise the car will never end up reliable.

A//// Guy
01-26-2005, 10:16 AM
Yes I agree. That is why I say it needs to be totally overhauled or atleast find out where to oil went first.

tpunx99GSX
01-26-2005, 06:33 PM
Has anyone checked for shaftplay in the turbo? When my turbo went out it drained all the oil and spit it out the exhaust, granted there was a huge black cloud behind my car, after i had the turbo replaced the block went, from the brief moment of having little or no oil. Thankfully i had a warrenty to pay for it. But i agree with peter, first find where the oil went, then get a decent mechanic to look at it with a boaroscope etc... see what your in for before you just trash the car.

1ViciousGSX
01-26-2005, 07:18 PM
It's very simple.

GET UNDER THE CAR AND FIND OUT WHERE THE OIL WENT. PULL THE HEAD. PULL THE OIL PAN.

Stop talking and do something. This isn't that hard to figure out people.