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illz
10-10-2004, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by tpunx99GSX@Oct 9 2004, 06:46 PM
the war in afghanistan is worth fighting, the war in iraq is for oil, would you die for lower gas prices. well many people have and the prices went up.
haha OK you almost know what you're talking about

illz
10-10-2004, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by LightningGSX@Oct 9 2004, 09:03 PM
By the way, NOTHING regarding Iraq and WMDs or links to terrorism has been either proven or disproven, once again, I don't know where you get this info.Michael Moore?
hahha my thoughts exactly. it's a michael moore apostle, watch out!

JasonR
10-10-2004, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Oct 9 2004, 04:20 PM
Please give your opinion and reasons why you support or do not support the reasons for going to war against Iraq. Do you think we needed to go?
Yes, war is not just iraq, against terrorism. Creating liberty in iraq is one small step. Relinquishing saddam of arbitrary control was necessary. The fact you even raise this question is beyond me. Even the most liberal presidential canidate kerry agrees, but he has his head so far up his ass he can never find his way out. It is so impossible to decipher what he thinks should of been done. He is just pointing fingers and claiming I would of done better in order to get in office. Democrats should of chosen a better canidate. This guy never accomplished anything in 20 years. Never even passed a bill. He says he is for the war on iraq, but he voted against the gulf war. I think this guy is the biggest wussy in the senate and his intensions are purely political. I hate this miserable old fart. I dont trust him as far as I can throw him. Spreading democracy is the altimate key against terrorism and taking immediate action against threats to are freedom.

john
10-10-2004, 02:46 AM
How did they threaten us? I was not aware of this. When did it happen? As far as the war goes, I see Korea pissed off at us waiting to launch their WMDs. I do not see peace around the world. Americans are hated now more than ever. The biggest act of terror someone can inflict is war, invading their country with a large infantry and attacking them.

LightningGSX
10-10-2004, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by 92tsiawd84+Oct 10 2004, 01:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (92tsiawd84 @ Oct 10 2004, 01:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-1QUICK4@Oct 10 2004, 12:08 AM
What would you call these people who are blowingup children, civilians, and our troops in Iraq?

I would say that they are trying to defend their country like the rest of us would hopefully do if we were invaded.
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Most of the terrorists doing this stuff aren't even Iraqis, so how are they defending their county? Besides, How is blowing up your fellow citizens defending your country anyway?

JasonR
10-10-2004, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Oct 10 2004, 01:46 AM
How did they threaten us? I was not aware of this. When did it happen? As far as the war goes, I see Korea pissed off at us waiting to launch their WMDs. I do not see peace around the world. Americans are hated now more than ever. The biggest act of terror someone can inflict is war, invading their country with a large infantry and attacking them.
Iraq was a threat because they had the capacity. Why do you think we were in the gulf war. Do you really believe we are in iraq because they are not a threat to us. Now the people of iraq will no longer be ruled by a tyrant. Why do you believe Korea is pissed off at us. Countries that were behind now are starting to have the capacities for WMD. What else is new. I dont believe Korea is more of a threat to are national security then Saddam was. I would vote for Bush if your so concerned about Korea because he is the only one that will take action. Terrorism has been growing. Americans are not hated more than ever, they are hated by terrorists. When I lived in europe for a short time I did not meet anyone who hated americans. The biggest act of terror is not war, it is causing intense demoralization and intimidation through any means necessary, hence 9/11. We are not terrorists!

1QUICK4
10-10-2004, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by LightningGSX+Oct 10 2004, 02:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LightningGSX @ Oct 10 2004, 02:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Oct 10 2004, 01:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-1QUICK4@Oct 10 2004, 12:08 AM
What would you call these people who are blowingup children, civilians, and our troops in Iraq?

I would say that they are trying to defend their country like the rest of us would hopefully do if we were invaded.

Most of the terrorists doing this stuff aren't even Iraqis, so how are they defending their county? Besides, How is blowing up your fellow citizens defending your country anyway? [/b][/quote]
My point exactly

john
10-10-2004, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by JasonR@Oct 10 2004, 04:17 AM
The biggest act of terror is not war, it is causing intense demoralization and intimidation through any means necessary, hence 9/11. We are not terrorists!
I dont believe Korea is more of a threat to are national security then Saddam was.
Knowing that Korea has WMD does not make them a bigger threat than Iraq?

&nbsp; I would vote for Bush if your so concerned about Korea because he is the only one that will take action.&nbsp;
Well, four year in office, we have gone to war twice. Under Bush, I am afraid that he is going to take on Iran and N. Korea at the same time. Ofcourse we will not have Ossama yet and will be waging four wars at the same time (Ossama, Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea). How do you expect to accomplish this without a draft? It seems as if Bush and Cheney would not have a problem implimenting a draft. At the same time, with everyone at war, who would be here to protect us against acts of terrorism? Out of the three countries in the middle east that "had" WMDs we attacked the one that didn't. How do you think it would be fighting a war with WMDs being used against us?

Terrorism has been growing.&nbsp; Americans are not hated more than ever, they are hated by terrorists.&nbsp;
If we are waging the "war against terror" would it be safe to say that we are losing then? If terrorism is growing and we are hated more by terrorists, doesn't that mean that we are at a larger risk of being attacked that we were before?

Most of the terrorists doing this stuff aren't even Iraqis, so how are they defending their county? Besides, How is blowing up your fellow citizens defending your country anyway?

Facts/sources/links please. I haven't seen anything that supports that Iraqis are blowing them selves up. Like I said, I would like to believe that we are not doing more harm than good but I cannot yet.

LightningGSX
10-10-2004, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by 92tsiawd84@Oct 10 2004, 10:07 AM

Most of the terrorists doing this stuff aren't even Iraqis, so how are they defending their county? Besides, How is blowing up your fellow citizens defending your country anyway?

Facts/sources/links please. I haven't seen anything that supports that Iraqis are blowing them selves up. Like I said, I would like to believe that we are not doing more harm than good but I cannot yet.
Turn on the news.Read the paper.

CVD
10-10-2004, 12:45 PM
suicide bombings (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=tank+picture+suicide+bomber+iraq/v=2/SID=e/l=WS1/R=1/H=0/IPC=us/SHE=0/SIG=11t0i5ntt/*-http%3A//www.buzzle.com/editorials/text9-10-2003-45263.asp)

more suicide bombings (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A26856-2004Jan18¬Found=true)

A short search will bring up many more. And you might notice that WAY more Iraqi's are being targeted than Americans. Most suicide bombings I hear of are directed towards the new Iraqi police forces.

These people arent fighting to take Iraq back. They have it, it belongs to them, not us. They are fighting for power. They want us out so they can take power for themselves, rather than allowing the country to elect it's own leader.