Climate Change - Stop the bullshit already.

[tpunx99GSX]

With the recent idiotic limiting of saying the words climate change, and global warming, it should occur to everyone that these people are idiots. Denying climate change is like denying gravity. We have a 97% consensus among CLIMATE SCIENTISTS, that global climate change is real and we have made measurements. This is not a political issue. Its a real and true issue with measurements to back it up.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/04/wisconsin-cutting-environmental-science-limiting-talk-of-climate-change/
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article12983720.html

It is ridiculous that we could get a 97% consensus of anything among scientists, but when we live in a time when we have the technology to prove that Climate change is happening and we are responsible, its time that politicians get with the fucking program and start looking at scientists on how to correct the issue. The first step is admitting something is real that has been proven, the next is to set up the funding to correct it.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
We have the evidence, we know its true. We are seeing signs everywhere of this trend. And its not Just about global warming of the earth, but in air quality, Example Bejing China, Another Example California drought and the fact that they have barely enough water to make it though a year.
Lets get in 2015 now, and stop denying a fact because of political lines and being afraid of change.

[A//// Guy]

Agreed, curious who will deny it. Its all about the short term though, doing anything about it means big money spending to fix the issues and regulate things. Money in which the US doesnt have...

No idea how anyone cannot see that people are the number 1 cause of any devastation around the globe. People refute the fact that things are changing and say its natural. Some of it is natural, the earth is always changing, but you cant deny that man made emissions wont hurt things long term.

[polishmafia]

Wait... You mean Earth's natural ecosystem wasn't meant to handle CO and CO2, plastic, and nuclear waste?

We could potentially change here in the states, but do you think an economic powerhouse like China is going to do anything? Highly doubtful.

If this isn't a political issue, why is it in the Politics section!?

[tpunx99GSX]

Wait... You mean Earth's natural ecosystem wasn't meant to handle CO and CO2, plastic, and nuclear waste?

We could potentially change here in the states, but do you think an economic powerhouse like China is going to do anything? Highly doubtful.

If this isn't a political issue, why is it in the Politics section!?

Thats the thing. It takes the US and other nations in the UN to actually do a GLOBAL change for global climate change. Which means all nations must abide by this, including china, ESPECIALLY China..

[polishmafia]

And when China agrees to change, but doesn't actually do anything, what happens then? Sanctions? 90% of the world depends on their manufacturing and cheap labor.

[A//// Guy]

Looks like China is already changing its ways. Closing the last of 4 coal power plants soon.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-08/china-s-pollution-assault-boosting-solar-electric-vehicles

Looks like India is the next China though........

http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/why-india-wont-follow-in-chinas-environmental-footsteps/

[tpunx99GSX]

And when China agrees to change, but doesn't actually do anything, what happens then? Sanctions? 90% of the world depends on their manufacturing and cheap labor.
Thats the big question. And one i wouldnt know how to solve. Does it take an Industrial Derevolution where people stop buying new iphones every year, or manufacturers find new methods of building that arent so polluting and wasteful and unbearable for workers. I dunno.

[AwdGSX13]

Thats the big question. And one i wouldnt know how to solve. Does it take an Industrial Derevolution where people stop buying new iphones every year, or manufacturers find new methods of building that arent so polluting and wasteful and unbearable for workers. I dunno.


I wish they would stop outsourcing production to China either way, It's too bad we cannot bring that back to the states because of how expensive it is. The stuff they make in China is complete junk to begin with.

I remember an article, that showed a large screen in China so that people could see what the sunset and sunrise looked like to put an example of how bad it is their. India secondly is a pretty disgusting place in certain parts and they definitely need to start looking at a solution.

[JET]

I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that the climate is changing. It always has and it always will. The thing being argued about is how much of an impact humans are actually having on it? Are we causing 10% of the change, 90%? We really don't know.

in the 70's there was a scare of a mini-ice age. This was well past when the industrial revolution happened and global warming should have started. I have seen too many graphs with an agenda that use a specific date range to try and further their cause. If you look at longer date ranges you can see fluctuations are normal. Look at this graphic for example:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20110113/509983main_adjusted_annual_temperature_anomalies_f inal.gif

It was cooler early on and warmer recently, but we are talking about a 1*F change from 1860 to today! I hardly think that is enough of a change to announce the sky is falling. That could simply be a high point in the cycle and we could head lower again in the future. We have already seen that temps have stabilized over the last few years.

There are lots of factors that go in to global temperatures and most of them are much more significant than the factors we are playing in it. That isn't to say we aren't having some impact, but I think it is being overstated by some and it is simply too early to really be able to tell.

Now that doesn't mean I am against doing obvious changes to better the climate, smog and other things are obviously bad. If you look at CO2 emissions in the US you will see that cars are not actually that significant of an impact any more. It is still a pretty big chunk, but it does not seem out of line.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/images/ghgemissions/GlobalGHGEmissionsBySource.png

Now when you look at what is going on in the rest of the world compared to the US, that is where I get concerned. We need to get some of the developing countries on track.

http://www.americanthinker.com/legacy_assets/blog/assets/BP.png

[1ViciousGSX]

Shhhhh, I'm hunting wabbits,......

I'm not going to step into the argument that will obiviously erupt in this thread over "climate change". So I'll just leave this here.
Prominent physicist Freeman Dyson: ‘It would be crazy to try to reduce CO2′ – ‘Earth is growing greener as a result of carbon dioxide’

Share the facts at CFACT's Climate Depot: http://www.climatedepot.com/

Dyson: 'There certainly is an enormous religion in which there are lots of true believers who think that climate change is evil and that we're going to run into big catastrophes if we don't do something drastic. That's a sort of belief system which exists...I don't understand it and I don't pretend to understand their motives.'

But, I will say droughts in California are nothing new, there's been a long standing history of it. The difference today is that because of the EPA. Californian farmers are not getting the water they need to get through it. And with me saying that, you're gonna ask "what the hell am I talking about"?

Lets start with this:
http://westernfarmpress.com/blog/californians-lose-800000-acre-feet-water-305-minnows
or this
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/29/obama-ill-veto-bill-that-will-provide-water-to-californias-central-valley/
or this
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204731804574384731898375624

And I could go on and those with blinders will call me crazy (Askme if I care?) and those with a functional intellect will start getting the bigger picture.