E85

[Jakey]

I say they are greedy because they are keeping the price within an ass hair of regular gas.

Something is definitely fishy about the $0.09 difference as the $0.40 difference I quoted earlier is from an gas station on the same property as an ethanol plant a few miles east of Ames.

...does it really matter who we're buying from?

Yes, one has to consider how unstable the middle east always is. Someday we may not be able to get oil from over there.

[Onefast99gsx]

If we just had the ability to stop buying all oil from the middle east, oh the price of oil would drop like a rock. Remember what 9-11 did? Gas in MN went down to .96 cents. By the way, the barrel hit a new record price yesterday.

[Thor06]

We arent buying all that much from them anyway. They are only our 3rd highest supplier, Canada and Mexico give us most of our gas. IIRC, we only get something like 17% from the middle east. We watched some documentary on it in Econ during school.

People dont run E85 to be cheaper, they run it to lessen our dependance on foriegn oil and be cleaner on the environment. A few of them would be doing it so they can run much higher boost levels everyday without worrying about knock :D.

[Gravy]

So has anyone had a long running E-85 mix going? I'm thinking of running a galon or so in the next tank on the new car to see if it hurts any. That small of an amount i don't think will be very noticable or cause massive problems... even in a DSM.

[Shane55113]

i found this great thread from a guy in Europe.
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=73061

[tpunx99GSX]

Remember who started it all.... hahahah

[goodhart]

LOL @ some of the old posts in this thread. Running this shit was witchcraft back in 2004-2006!

Yeah, it needs to be ran at about a 10:1 A/F ratio.You'll need to swap any rubber seals that come in contact with it, over to Teflon or similar.It will corrode anything made from aluminum, so you may need to swap fuel lines, fuel rail, etc(I'm not sure what everything is made of yet).And finally E85 will conduct electricity(gas does not), so you'd need to shield/ground the fuel pump.The OEMs put a flame arrestor in the filler neck, which would probably be a good thing for us also.Its not as difficult as it sounds, I'll let people know once I figure everything out.

Oh yeah, you'll end up with about 20%-30% less fuel economy and the octane rating is between 95 and 105(depending on season and area, I keep meaning to stop by an E85 pump and check the octane rating around here)

Yeah, my family's farm went under, so the fuck what? Seriously, if you can't hack it in the business then you shouldn't be in it. Nobody in my family pissed and moaned; they realized their time was up, sold most of the equipment and most the land. And did I mention I am a fag? The few remaining fields we own are either being rented out or are on the idle-land revitilization program.

Don't talk about "cleaner burning" either, 90% of the cars on this board are emissions illegal.

About the price...I regularly paid the extra $.10/gal to get the nonoxygenated gasoline if the station I was at offered it and generally noted a slight increase in performance and always a few extra MPG.

Notice underlined part. WTF :lol:


No need for apologies my friend. Just so you know, gallon to gallon gasoline makes more power; that is why you see a reduction in fuel economy with E85 and the 10% stuff. I really don't care what you guys buy though, the less gasoline that is purchased the cheaper it will become for me. Aslong as we are all happy with the choices we make I see no problems what so ever.

Well, I was reading a bit on this thread and noticed everyone thinking its possible to run it in your dsm... good luck!! E85 is obviously 85%ethonol and 15%gas. Your vehical that you run it in has to be FF approved...Flexible Fuel. They run different line, pumps, injector's because of the ethonol content and what it does to standard fuel vehicals. Yes the octane is higher and blah blah blah but what no one stated that it burns a high amount of fermeldihide which is also a dangerous gas.

Kevin

Wait.....so are you running stock internal dsm fuel components and you are seeing no problems? I never believed that bs about it "corroding" aluminum....but you never know...

so are all DSMs just a A/F adjustment away from running e85?

And a time bomb for lines to just disapear on you.

It does eat up the DSM gas lines, but it takes some time. If you want, run the fuel, or about a 1/4 tank to find out. If it is bad you can always pump the tank and just run a little rough for a while. It won't mess up your O2 sensor, they had a few bad batches when it first started coming out that scared everyone away. They had too much water in it, and was fouling up O2 sensors even on vehicles equiped to run it.



So, it had to be ran at a 10:1 or richer AFR, it corroded aluminum, ate rubber, made less power, and Hughes was a fag. :rollinglaugh: Oh how the times have changed

[tpunx99GSX]

So, it had to be ran at a 10:1 or richer AFR, it corroded aluminum, ate rubber, made less power, and Hughes was a fag. :rollinglaugh: Oh how the times have changed

some things haven't. hahahah

[cmspaz]

And apparently non-oxy makes more power? I guess it didn't knock back then? LOL!

[Kracka]

A gallon of gasoline contains more energy than a gallon of ethanol, this is basic information. Ethanol is also very caustic to rubber and aluminum; again this is fact, not opinion.

Oxygenated fuels act as a knock-quench which is why they'll make more power on a turbo car, but this does not change the fact that non-oxy fuels contain more energy.