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Halon
03-22-2011, 10:35 PM
I personally would stick with something stock framed if someone makes one that is fairly reliable. Keeps things simple, and I like simple.
311evo
03-22-2011, 10:42 PM
maybe i missed it but, what was the reason behind them not doing a warranty on the Black???

It's 1 month past their warranty.

The stock frames are remotely reliable short of some of the FP turbo's. The only problem is that I don't want to go smaller then the black, so my only options are the FP black or universal set up.
dzuest
03-22-2011, 10:43 PM
Now that my shit blew up and I'm unhappy with FP, this thread can get a little debate action going.

The black is blown, and I will have to pay FP to rebuild it. I will then likely sell it then, or sell it now "as-is" for a much cheaper price.

Option 1: Get a stock turbo, wait for black to get back, then use the black and sell the stocker.
Cost: Rebuild (unknown, I'm guessing at least a couple hundred)
OEM IX turbo - $400

option 2: 6262 set up. (at least temporarily, if I decide on the HTA86 in the future it should all bolt up)
Cost: around 2.5k total. (Manifold/WG/Dump - $1,200, turbo $800, downpipe modifications-$? oil/water lines?)

Option 3: HTA86 set up
Cost: around 3.5k total (Manifold/WG/Dump - $1,200, turbo $1,600, Downpipe modifications-$? oil/water lines?)


Let me know your thoughts and opinions on the different turbo's and options you would look into.

Ran across this the other night when looking on evom...
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyno-tuning-results/532966-fp-hta86-vs-pte-6765-a.html


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j170/freddy302/HTA86vsPTA6765.jpg



D'OH sorry i just noticed that's a HTA86 compared to a 6765 and not a 6262. My bad.

Oh well something to look at anyway.
dzuest
03-22-2011, 10:44 PM
Double post... god i suck at life tonight...
311evo
03-22-2011, 10:47 PM
D'OH sorry i just noticed that's a HTA86 compared to a 6765 and not a 6262. My bad.

Oh well something to look at anyway. ;)

Yes sir! saw that chart earlier, 6765 I do not want and this chart kind of shows why. :)
dzuest
03-22-2011, 11:11 PM
Yes sir! saw that chart earlier, 6765 I do not want and this chart kind of shows why. :)

Yeah i thought i had something there. LOL
At least it gives some numbers for the HTA86 i guess.
Murlo26
03-22-2011, 11:17 PM
Why not the HTA3582 as we were shoutboxing about it originally? The HTA82 would have some similar spool to a black, probably a few hundred rpms like you said you'd be ok with and would make more power over the black. Seems logical for an initial upgrade from the black.

Then if you truly get bored you could go HTA86 later.
311evo
03-22-2011, 11:21 PM
Why not the HTA3582 as we were shoutboxing about it originally? The HTA82 would have some similar spool to a black, probably a few hundred rpms like you said you'd be ok with and would make more power over the black. Seems logical for an initial upgrade from the black.

Then if you truly get bored you could go HTA86 later.

But at the same time I've seen a lot of graphs where the 86 spools almost the exact same as the 82, so with that I would likely just go for the big one.

The more I think about it the more I would like to give the black another chance. But I'm still not 100%, it's going to rely heavily on FP's month-out-of-warranty price for a rebuild and their turn around time.
TalonFiero
03-22-2011, 11:29 PM
But at the same time I've seen a lot of graphs where the 86 spools almost the exact same as the 82, so with that I would likely just go for the big one.

The more I think about it the more I would like to give the black another chance. But I'm still not 100%, it's going to rely heavily on FP's month-out-of-warranty price for a rebuild and their turn around time.

It all depends on what is damaged and needs replacing but realistically I think its ~$600 and about two weeks to fix.

The one thing I will always be careful about with the RED and BLACK FP turbos is that I run them to the edge so I will be vigilant to check for boost leaks. I do not want to overrun the turbo at these boost levels and shaft speeds.
Murlo26
03-22-2011, 11:32 PM
I think its wise to give the black one more chance...the setup works well imo.

But I'd understand if you wanted to go t3.

T3 will be even harder to have fun around town with though...I know with my black its tough to find a good spot to have fun now because its gotten to a point where its just too fast almost. Stock turbo e85 you could rip up and down everywhere.