I'll Probably be banned for this again....

[2zzgtte]

My problem is that I don't want to have to pay for someone else's problems. I think everyone should pay for their own problems.

This will, undoubtedly, put the US in so much MORE debt that we will be out of a world power for minimum of 10 years I'm sure. Now, if China starts selling our T-bills because they assume we cannot pay our bills, we are in a serious situation. "The Situation" cannot even help us out of this one... and we all love "The Situation"!

[tpunx99GSX]

The biggest thing is that this policy is hitting everyone in the pocketbook no matter who you are. It is also rewarding laziness and punishing those who work to better themselves. Why should I work hard to get the money to afford a very comfortable living only for the government to come and take more taxes out of my pocket to pay for someone else that doesn't want to earn their own way?

And it is against pretty much everything this country was founded on. Freedom of choice will not exist much longer. You will have to do what they want you to whether you like it or not.

The current system in place is hitting everyone's pocketbook anyway. if someone goes into a hospital and rings up a big bill which it happens every time, the bill goes to the taxpayers, in a hidden tax at the end of the year. This is the truth. This will then be eliminated due to everyone being covered. Yes you may have a slight tax increase, BUT there is good reason for that. Say you get cancer, you lose your job a couple months later, Does your cancer immediately stop spreading.... NO. So therefore you still need that care, but hell the company you worked for isnt going to fit your medical bills are they? Wouldn't it be nice if there is a plan in place that prevents you from ever going without insurance. OH YEA, thanks to the Democrats (Republicans had NOTHING to do with this yet they are still covered) you will still be able to get your treatments and be with your family longer.
Not to mention if you choose to go on a government plan, you will likely save enough money to cover the slight increase in taxes. Which very likely the increase will go to the Top 1% of incomes, the sleazy dirt bag that fired you from said job. the guys here that are saying the top 1% are the ones creating job are living in a fantasy world, they only care about money and 90 percent of the time its firing people in the US and shipping jobs overseas.

[Matt D.]

Which very likely the increase will go to the Top 1% of incomes, the sleazy dirt bag that fired you from said job. the guys here that are saying the top 1% are the ones creating job are living in a fantasy world, they only care about money and 90 percent of the time its firing people in the US and shipping jobs overseas.
Yes, because the only way anyone ever gets rich is by lying, cheating and stealing. :jackoff:

[MATCHBX]

You obviously don't know how much your employer is paying for your health insurance. What you pay through them is about a third of what your premiums are to the insurance provider. That's where the insurance companies are getting the money to cover your expenses (after you have met your deductable). It also comes from the premiums of others that don't use their coverage much. Your money goes into a pool along with everyone else that is with your insurer. Then they pay out of those funds whatever your plan says they have to pay.

What this system is saying is that, it doesn't matter if you work or not you'll be covered. But where does the government get the money from for your health coverage if you don't pay in? That's right, other tax payers. So you (a working tax payer) will be paying for everyone else that doesn't. At least with a commercial insurer I know that I am only paying for those that are insured through them (most of which are working and paying for at least part of their premiums).

There is always hard luck cases Tom. Those have programs in place which tax payers pay for already. But now they want to throw 32 million more on this new program and take from the other programs that are already out there. Take a little from Medicare and Medicade to pay for all these others that don't want to work for it. Taking from programs that are already a strain on the system is not the way to do it either.

[2zzgtte]

Say you get cancer, you lose your job a couple months later, Does your cancer immediately stop spreading.... NO. So therefore you still need that care, but hell the company you worked for isnt going to fit your medical bills are they? Wouldn't it be nice if there is a plan in place that prevents you from ever going without insurance. OH YEA, thanks to the Democrats (Republicans had NOTHING to do with this yet they are still covered) you will still be able to get your treatments and be with your family longer.

Like I said, I don't want to pay for that person and all the rest of the low life's that are using my tax dollars and not putting into the pool. I think that if this person NEEDED the money, they would apply and get approved for state run health care, Medicare, and Medicaid. There is no reason to overhaul the worlds greatest health care system because he wants to provide for his "low income families".

This is "sharing the wealth" at its finest. I am sure you are all for socialism and if not communism if you think this is a good idea.

Also, if nationalized health care is such a great idea, why aren't governemt officals covered by it? Why do they get a different health care plan than us? They are no different than us but they get treated differently.

[tpunx99GSX]

Like I said, I don't want to pay for that person and all the rest of the low life's that are using my tax dollars and not putting into the pool. I think that if this person NEEDED the money, they would apply and get approved for state run health care, Medicare, and Medicaid. There is no reason to overhaul the worlds greatest health care system because he wants to provide for his "low income families".

This is "sharing the wealth" at its finest. I am sure you are all for socialism and if not communism if you think this is a good idea.

Also, if nationalized health care is such a great idea, why aren't governemt officals covered by it? Why do they get a different health care plan than us? They are no different than us but they get treated differently.

LMFAO!!! WORLDS GREATEST???????!?!
First of all. calling our heathcare the worlds greatest is a mass overstatement. Which starts with Pre Existing condition bull shit and ends with 35 million people not being covered.
Secondly Government officials ARE covered under a socialised plan. We pay for their nice ass heathcare plans.
the US is ranked 37th in the World Health Organizations rankings of all countries heathcare systems. Im sure there is much more data than "The WHO is a socialist organization trying to push the socialist agenda." which i know was coming very soon after this comment.
Now would you please take off your rocket boots and come down to earth. KTHXBYE

[tpunx99GSX]

You obviously don't know how much your employer is paying for your health insurance. What you pay through them is about a third of what your premiums are to the insurance provider. That's where the insurance companies are getting the money to cover your expenses (after you have met your deductable). It also comes from the premiums of others that don't use their coverage much. Your money goes into a pool along with everyone else that is with your insurer. Then they pay out of those funds whatever your plan says they have to pay.

What this system is saying is that, it doesn't matter if you work or not you'll be covered. But where does the government get the money from for your health coverage if you don't pay in? That's right, other tax payers. So you (a working tax payer) will be paying for everyone else that doesn't. At least with a commercial insurer I know that I am only paying for those that are insured through them (most of which are working and paying for at least part of their premiums).

There is always hard luck cases Tom. Those have programs in place which tax payers pay for already. But now they want to throw 32 million more on this new program and take from the other programs that are already out there. Take a little from Medicare and Medicade to pay for all these others that don't want to work for it. Taking from programs that are already a strain on the system is not the way to do it either.
My employer pays 0.00 for me to be covered. Because i am not. So therefore actually yes i do know how much it costs as i am self employed (SubContractor)

[MATCHBX]

That's your problem then if you don't pay for your own health insurance. Not mine and the rest of the tax payers. There are ways of getting health coverage if your employer (you in this case I guess) doesn't offer it. It just costs more than what it would if your employer subsidized part of it (like mine and most everyone elses). Usually an employer kicks up about 1/2 to 2/3rds of what the policy premiums are and you pick up the rest. Some are more generoous, some aren't.

And to say we have the best health care system is not entirely true. But we do have some of the best treatment facilities in the world. Quite a few are right here in MN. But the healthcare system itself it flawed. What they are pushing through IS socialized health care. It's a redistribution of wealth. Those that make more HAVE to take care of those that don't (according to this new bill). It is not the way that it should be handled. I don't have all the answers myself and I'm sure most people on here don't. But we are smart enough to see what they have proposed to be very detrimental to the economy as a whole. They are taking from programs that are struggling and giving that money, along with other new tax money, to something that will just create more strain on the governments budgets.

32 million people will get insurance, but at what cost to the rest of society? The hospitals are already overrun with people going to them for every little sniffle. Now give them free health care and they WILL use it to it fullest. Not what it should be intended for as something to just help them throuogh a hard time. It would be great if this was a perfect society of people that realized that they should not take advantage of things that are offered, but use them for what they are intended for. But there are alot of people that feel that if something is available, they better use everything they can out of it in fear of there not being anything there when they need it. By doing that, they end up using up everything anyways and it runs out for honest people that are really in need.

[mdost03]

My favorite part about this bill is that it doesn't apply to the people who voted it into law. How is that fair?

[FattyBoomBatty]

Like I said, I don't want to pay for that person and all the rest of the low life's that are using my tax dollars and not putting into the pool. I think that if this person NEEDED the money, they would apply and get approved for state run health care, Medicare, and Medicaid. There is no reason to overhaul the worlds greatest health care system because he wants to provide for his "low income families".

This is "sharing the wealth" at its finest. I am sure you are all for socialism and if not communism if you think this is a good idea.

Also, if nationalized health care is such a great idea, why aren't governemt officals covered by it? Why do they get a different health care plan than us? They are no different than us but they get treated differently.

What do you think you are doing when you buy health insurance from a health insurance company? You are paying for other people's problems, and when you get superaids from being such a fox news nut swinger, that little monthly bill you pay could never cover the costs you incur by getting treated at a hospital, so you are using other people's money for your problems.

So you are the worlds biggest hypocrite, congratulations.