This will definetly help our economy

[polishmafia]

I like this Dundars guy. I don't even have to argue anymore. He can bring my points up for me! :)

[Dundars]

One is a 2005 Chevy Tahoe that I'm guessing isn't paid off, the other is a 2008 Acura MDX that for sure isn't paid off.

The wife is in a really new and nice detached town home that I would say is worth at least $250k+ in this market. I'm not sure exactly the fathers situation, haven't seen him since and I only know what he tells me.

[Febo]

That doesnt seem all that remarkable. Given a decent income and those situations sound reasonable. They dont seem to have gotten hit the hardest. Ive seen the bad, and it doesnt turn out that way. Its where the bank takes your house, and car, and ruins your credit. And this being that the economy was doing well, the jobs were there and paying, and then the economy took a shit, and the people I seen get hit had nothing to do with risky mortgages, they were in their mortgages well before the housing crisis. So I still feel it wasnt the housing crisis that created the monster, it was the monster that created the housing crisis.

[Dundars]

And it was important to pass it because if we had waited till 2010 to pass it, it wouldnt kick in till 2012, and so forth. The economy doesnt just bounce back in a month. It takes years for any big change to have a full effect on the economy. Especially when it is so down.

I'm not saying you needed to wait a year to pass it, but come on 2 or three more days to have time to read and review is not going to delay anything!

Democrats response to if they read the bill or not was, "Well I had my staff look over it for me and report back." Who the hell did we vote for, them or their "staff"?

Obama went from change and hope to depression and crisis in less than 20 days of being elected and got the bill passed within 30 days of being elected. That is CRAZYNESS!

EDIT - Not to mention Obama wants to give states more incentives to put more people on welfare. Yay for hard working Americans, where dreams come true!

[Dundars]

I forgot to mention, Obama is building a Fleet of Marine One Helicopters. By Fleet I mean 28, that is costing the tax payers 11.2 Billion Dollars.

Not to mention he wants a new Fleet of Air Force One 747's, and a new Fleet of Presidential Limos. Wonder what just his spending for new transportation for his four years is going to cost us Tax Payers.

Liberals sure are quick to spread and spend other people's money.

[Febo]

I forgot to mention, Obama is building a Fleet of Marine One Helicopters. By Fleet I mean 28, that is costing the tax payers 11.2 Billion Dollars.

Not to mention he wants a new Fleet of Air Force One 747's, and a new Fleet of Presidential Limos. Wonder what just his spending for new transportation for his four years is going to cost us Tax Payers.

Liberals sure are quick to spread and spend other people's money.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/obama_grounds_n.html

Read your sources, he's putting the helicopters on hold. But being that the helicopters are 30 years old, it is time for a new fleet.

And again, link to your sources on these accusations. Seems like you have a lot of hearsay.

Also I looked into the limo and I see no problem with him getting a fleet of tanks. He probably has a way higher assassination risk than bush ever faced.

[Dundars]

I realize that the helicopters were put on order by President Bush but McCain brought up the idea to put them on hold and Obama hasn't said he will yet, only that he will think about it.

Edit - I'm sure he will eventually put them on hold from pressure from the American people, but I guarentee if this wouldn't have been brought up he would of never considered putting them on hold.

Why do you think he has a higher assasination rate, because of his race? Pretty sure we have proved that racism is a thing of the past, his policies are what would get him assasinated.

[Febo]

To claim that its only his policies that will get him assassinated is a very ignorant statement. Racism is far from dead. It also doesnt help that the ignorance of this nation still has him veiwed as a socialist, as well as a muslim, and a domestic terrorist.

I mean honestly, what is so bad about his policies. You are so against the stimulus package, what do you propose to jump start a defeated economy? If not the government trying to get its people to get back on their feet, then what?

[Dundars]

No one has to pay taxes for 8-9 months, boom problem sovled.

Game over, Flip.

Government is going to have to own our banking systems for a while, never a good thing. That is the part of the road to Socialism.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

But if nobody pays in then how are all the red states going to get money? Since they by far get more money back from the federal government than they pay in, except for Texas that pays in slightly less than it gets back. Most of the red states are sucking on the teet of federal tax welfare and pork.