How much boost?

CompOrange · 04-25-2006

I've got a 97 Spyder GST, how much boost should it be making stock? and how much can I get out of the stock turbo safely?

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 04-25-2006

It should run around 12psi stock. You have to replace the stock BOV, if you want to turn up the boost. It leaks a lot at higher than stock boost levels. You also want to put on a bigger exhaust system, so that you aren't just creating a lot of backpressure, if you turn up the boost. The stock turbo won't sustain high boost, it can't flow enough air to keep up with the engine at higher RPMs. You can turn it up so that it spikes up to 18psi, but the boost will just fall back down pretty quickly.

Gravy · 04-25-2006

I thought for eficiency reasons, the t-25 should never see above 16, same as the 14(both are on stock air systems) should never see above 18 without heavy cooling mods, and fuel mods. I know the 14b CAN hit 20 psi, but you heat soak after one run of hitting 18's.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 04-25-2006

A bigger turbo will heatsoak an intercooler even faster than a small turbo. A small turbo will put out high temps at higher boost, due to a less efficient compressor wheel, but they don't flow a lot of air. 600CFMs of 190 degree air from a bigger turbo with kill and intercooler much quicker than 275CFMs of 230 degree air. The 14B is just big enough to be dangerous. With race gas, you can run the 14B well into the mid 20s and it keeps making more power/torque. The T25 is so small that it can't max much out or hold over 15-16psi once you get into some decent RPMs.

Gravy · 04-25-2006

And this gent is talking about on the stock SMIC. I know people have pushed their 14's into 11 seconds, with HELLISHLY good tuning. But with the stock system, 16 is about the best you can do before heatsoaking. At least this time of the year. Winter you could do better, if you tune for it.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 04-25-2006

He has a T25.

Gravy · 04-25-2006

i know, :-P

also, the 2g IC looks smaller then the 1g, and from what i hear, cools less efficient.

niterydr · 04-25-2006

The 2g cores are smaller.
Set your boost for around 14psi, and you'll be fine. (I would add an intake, exhaust, and bov before turning up the boost. Having fuel mods in place is always a great idea).

Gravy · 04-25-2006

The car i'm working on is running 20 psi with no fuel mods, you'll be just fine!!!

I've heard to be safe no boost above 14. Stock can handle 16, but at a much higher risk of breakign things. The stock can see, and cool for the most part 14psi on both the 1g and 2g all day long.

Follow a "Breathright" upgrade path first, then work your way into fuel system, boost mods, then turbo.

Eagle_of_Fire · 04-25-2006

^^ Right on. If you wanna feel what the stock T-25 has to offer then eliminate restriction.. i did intake, turbo back exuast, hard smic pipes and bov. What a difference those few things can make for that turbo.

Pimpin Dsmstyle · 04-25-2006

get rid of the T-25 if you want to "turn up the boost." That just seems like the best advice you can be given. T-28 or 14b are decent turbos for a stock setup.

Gravy · 04-25-2006

T-28, would be my drug of choice. But then again, i woudn't want anything quicker then 13 seconds. Able to take most cars i'd run into on hte road, and fast enough to keep me happy.

Rule of thumb with all cars, let her breath, buy her nice things, then rip her clothes off and rape her.

Translate that into automotive speak: buy intake, exuahst, and porting. Buy fuel mods and turbo upgrade, weight reduction and then fricken beat her till she breaks.

howslowcanyougo · 04-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Eagle_of_Fire

^^ Right on. If you wanna feel what the stock T-25 has to offer then eliminate restriction.. i did intake, turbo back exuast, hard smic pipes and bov. What a difference those few things can make for that turbo.

Sorry, Everything I've seen and worked on with using a Stock 2G T-25 says WEAK all over it!

The boost on a T-25 just falls off to nothing and FAST!

All I know is I had those mods and more on my T-25 and it still was a total JOKE!

Go spend $400 and get your self a t-28, $300 for a set of 650 injectors, and $200 on a SAFC and then your at least STARTING to inch into the Game!

IMHO.....

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 04-26-2006

You don't need fuel mods for a T25, it doesn't max anything. You run into problems with the 14B on the 1G, because the 14B can actually flow some air, the stock MAF on the 1G hits overrun very easy causing it to go lean, the 1G runs less base fuel pressure and the 1G has a fuel pump that flows less.